A Serbian Film: Conclusions

[Daemonia]

I think what has irritated people is that JonD and now Prince have gone from critiquing the film to taking the moral high ground. The insinuation is that they somehow have good morals whilst the rest of us do not. I take exception to that.

[Prince_Vajda]

Originally Posted by Gojirosan

I actually do not think you are playing the priest, and have plenty of respect for your views. I do tolerate it. But as one side has been questioned so must the other side be questioned.

I think you are entitled to your views, I really do. That's fine.

However, you can claim that part of your post to be irrelevant, but I find it incredibly revealing of confusion in your standpoint. Clearly I was not alone in thinking so. I think Daemonia showed extremely good grace in making a joke out of the matter. He could have pounced upon it.

PV, I have no problem with your views, I find them interesting. But you have to expect them to be questioned, especially on a forum such as this. Likewise, those with opposing views must expect questioning. it is that kind of subject.

There's one view ("It may be a drastic scene, but it's fake, so what the f***!") which is prevalent, and the other view ("It's not important whether this scene is fake or real - the depicted actions are below every moral standard and despicaple.") is constantly played down - you call it "questioning other opinions".

That's not the way a good discussion works.

My post was unequivocal and pretty unobtrusive - but I get picked on for the fact that I'm possibly not totally perfect and made money out of my sold Cannibal Holocaust disc, which in your eyes makes my standpoint "confusing".

Originally Posted by Daemonia

I think what has irritated people is that JonD and now Prince have gone from critiquing the film to taking the moral high ground. The insinuation is that they somehow have good morals whilst the rest of us do not. I take exception to that.

Please tell me: where have I said such a thing? You are insinuating , not me - I never said that my opinion is the best, I simply said "this is my opinion". I've stated more than once that I only posted MY moral standpoint - and that I don't mind others having other standpoints.

I'm quitting this discussion now - it's becoming way to personal .

Greetings!

[Gojirosan]

Originally Posted by Prince_Vajda

and the other view ("It's not important whether this scene is fake or real - the depicted actions are below every moral standard and despicaple."

This view is extremely difficult to understand for people, I suggest. And clearly it has not been explained very well by any of its adherents.

I don't think you were unduly "picked on". Your comment seemed entirely relevant to the discussion even if you insist it was throwaway.

Ignoring the issue of the Cannibal Holocaust disk, then, please elucidate the notion I quoted above, if that is your main point.

I still find the idea confused and confusing.

[Daemonia]

Originally Posted by Prince_Vajda

Please tell me: where have I said such a thing?

Originally Posted by Prince_Vajda

There's one view ("It may be a drastic scene, but it's fake, so what the f***!") which is prevalent, and the other view ("It's not important whether this scene is fake or real - the depicted actions are below every moral standard and despicaple.") is constantly played down - you call it "questioning other opinions".

You repeatedly say that it crosses your moral boundaries. So the inisnuation is that others of us have lesser morals. At least that's how it comes across.

[Prince_Vajda]

One last statement (now that IS a contradiction - I said I would not post on this thread anymore):

1) If A Serbian Film showed a REAL rape of a baby, we would not be discussing this film now, because no film company on this earth would have released it - not to speak of our laws.

2) The production of a film like A Serbian Film is not a criminal act, even if the film shows criminal acts - that's absolutely clear.

3) Still, I think that the rape of baby is a scene that should not be included in a film. That's my moral standpoint, accept it or don't accept it, but don't attack me for it.

Finally: it's totally bonkers to debate this scene in respect of "fake" vs. "real" - see 1). It's the action that I see that I heavily dislike and despise, no matter if it's fake or real.

A real rape of a baby is so much worse than a fake rape of a baby in a film - but both things make me equally furious. I despise both things, and you have to accept that.

And, for the umpteenth time: this is MY opinion, not a moral guide for Horror movie lovers.

Now this is the real final post - I won't answer anymore, even if the pope (whom I like very much) posted his views on the subject.

I really have to calm down now.

Greetings!

Originally Posted by Daemonia

You repeatedly say that it crosses your moral boundaries. So the inisnuation is that others of us have lesser morals. At least that's how it comes across.

It's not my fault if you (and others) read things into my posts.

[Crimson Blade]

I was just wondering how people would've reacted if they'd simulated rape with a real baby in the film. Would that still be acceptable even if it was fake?
Even a liberal like myself would find that seriously crossing the line tbh.

[Daemonia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Blade

I was just wondering how people would've reacted if they'd simulated rape with a real baby in the film. Would that still be acceptable even if it was fake?
Even a liberal like myself would find that seriously crossing the line tbh.

That would absolutely be crossing the line. I'm not even defending the inclusion of it in the film - but I do understand the shock tactics of transgressive cinema. It's nothing new. It's there to shock and for no other reason, I accept that too.

And let's not forget that Cult Labs and it's accompanying PR company were the ones responsible for heavily promoting the film in the UK on behalf of Revolver Entertainment. Hence the inclusion of a whole forum dedicated solely to the film, its debate, and promotion on Cult Labs.

[Daemonia]

Originally Posted by Prince_Vajda

One last statement (now that IS a contradiction - I said I would not post on this thread anymore):

1) If A Serbian Film showed a REAL rape of a baby, we would not be discussing this film now, because no film company on this earth would have released it - not to speak of our laws.

2) The production of a film like A Serbian Film is not a criminal act, even if the film shows criminal acts - that's absolutely clear.

3) Still, I think that the rape of baby is a scene that should not be included in a film. That's my moral standpoint, accept it or don't accept it, but don't attack me for it.

Finally: it's totally bonkers to debate this scene in respect of "fake" vs. "real" - see 1). It's the action that I see that I heavily dislike and despise, no matter if it's fake or real.

A real rape of a baby is so much worse than a fake rape of a baby in a film - but both things make me equally furious. I despise both things, and you have to accept that.

And, for the umpteenth time: this is MY opinion, not a moral guide for Horror movie lovers.

Now this is the real final post - I won't answer anymore, even if the pope (whom I like very much) posted his views on the subject.

I really have to calm down now.

Greetings!



It's not my fault if you (and others) read things into my posts.

I absolutely do respect your viewpoint and I'm not knocking it. But don't knock others who may have a differing view.

I'm actually thinking of running for Pope.

[gag]

My friend lent me the film and i flicked through first before i knew all about the fuss and saw the baby scene that was enought for me, Gave the disc back without even watching definatly not my scene couldnt care less about rest of film didnt and dont want to give it a chance imo.
Problem i have with this and Grotesque is they have absolutley no redeem of any interest, Films are meant to be enjoyed doesnt matter if it violent sick gory twisted boundry crossing etc but when it gets to point certain films are going beyond the entertainment and enjoyable value then i myself wont give them time of day same goes for August underground trilogy and quite a few other films, but saying just because i dont like them doesnt mean other people wont but Grotesque etc are 100% imo a film i will never support or agree to. And if i hear lots about a film and scene and debates then i wont even watch them to give them a chance so hence why certain films i dont complain about simply because i havent seen them and therefore cant judge but at same time i dont want to see either..Some i have other i dont and wont ..

[Gojirosan]

Originally Posted by Crimson Blade

I was just wondering how people would've reacted if they'd simulated rape with a real baby in the film. Would that still be acceptable even if it was fake?
Even a liberal like myself would find that seriously crossing the line tbh.

An odd proposition, but certainly one that is both extremely bothersome and almost certainly illegal the world over.

I don't think anyone would or could approve of such a thing!

The rape action itself might be simulated, but the inclusion of an actual infant within those actions renders it no longer fake.

As such, this would be covered by legal considerations and not an issue for censorship. And that is where the line comes for me.