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Old 30th May 2010, 03:06 PM
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Well thats a shame that 5 seconds of footage has been snipped, however this hasn't swayed me from purchasing this especially if this turns up on blu ray, i can live with the cuts because i know that Arrow will more than make up for this in the special features that they are so good and thorough at producing
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Old 30th May 2010, 04:53 PM
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And for a five second (totally irrelevant and ineffective) cut that's a great way to punish a niche label, which has invested heavily in the enormous costs of an HD master for a Blu Ray of this title. It also pretty much puts at risk future releases.

I really hope that five seconds of a cat eating a mouse is worth it.

First of all, this basically sums up the horror market in the UK.

Between Government intervention (a Video Recordings Act that wasn't made legal for 25 years anyone???) and companies who have produced heavily pre-cut, sub-standard prints on bare-bones discs, true fans - including myself - have for years had to import discs from mainland Europe and America.

The fact that Arrow are at least investing in these releases and are attempting to bring some added value in the form of extras to these classic films says a great deal for them and they should be supported, especially in an age where DVD extras are certificated / censored by the BBFC.

But ultimately, Arrow have to also change the public's buying habits, and this cannot be done with only a handful of releases (despite the excellent work on Day Of The Dead and City of The Living Dead) A cut to a movie, whether we agree that it is necessary or not to the story, is still an incomplete movie. If Joe Public has been buying uncut, unrated DVDs from America for the last 10 years, he is not likely to change overnight and buy something is censored. He is more likely to ask "what reason do I have to invest in another version of this film" and until these run of releases the answer has always been "none"!

The Day Of the Dead and City Of The Living Dead releases were both steps in the right direction, but Inferno shows that there is still a gap that needs to be bridged between what is acceptable to UK censors and what fans will buy. Lots of extras may compensate for the cuts, but for many fans, including some on this forum, this won't be enough as they know that other uncensored releases will appear around the world within a matter of months (either with or without extras).

I don't know how it can be managed, but until laws are changed then there will always be that gap and that is why Arrow will continue to find things tough going in the UK horror market.

On another subject, the debate is over five seconds of cuts. Some say that they are not necessary to the story, others say they are... at the time of the interview with Dario, did anyone consider asking his opinion on camera as I'm sure that, knowing the past censorship controversy, Arrow must have seen this debate coming!
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Old 30th May 2010, 05:38 PM
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First of all, this basically sums up the horror market in the UK.

Between Government intervention (a Video Recordings Act that wasn't made legal for 25 years anyone???) and companies who have produced heavily pre-cut, sub-standard prints on bare-bones discs, true fans - including myself - have for years had to import discs from mainland Europe and America.

The fact that Arrow are at least investing in these releases and are attempting to bring some added value in the form of extras to these classic films says a great deal for them and they should be supported, especially in an age where DVD extras are certificated / censored by the BBFC.

But ultimately, Arrow have to also change the public's buying habits, and this cannot be done with only a handful of releases (despite the excellent work on Day Of The Dead and City of The Living Dead) A cut to a movie, whether we agree that it is necessary or not to the story, is still an incomplete movie. If Joe Public has been buying uncut, unrated DVDs from America for the last 10 years, he is not likely to change overnight and buy something is censored. He is more likely to ask "what reason do I have to invest in another version of this film" and until these run of releases the answer has always been "none"!

The Day Of the Dead and City Of The Living Dead releases were both steps in the right direction, but Inferno shows that there is still a gap that needs to be bridged between what is acceptable to UK censors and what fans will buy. Lots of extras may compensate for the cuts, but for many fans, including some on this forum, this won't be enough as they know that other uncensored releases will appear around the world within a matter of months (either with or without extras).

I don't know how it can be managed, but until laws are changed then there will always be that gap and that is why Arrow will continue to find things tough going in the UK horror market.

On another subject, the debate is over five seconds of cuts. Some say that they are not necessary to the story, others say they are... at the time of the interview with Dario, did anyone consider asking his opinion on camera as I'm sure that, knowing the past censorship controversy, Arrow must have seen this debate coming!
Well said.

I've never thought of horror films as a corrupting influence. I have always felt that some films were a step too far.

Sexual violence and real animal cruelty in all those exploitation flicks I understand why they were heavily cut, but something as remotely normal as a sequence involving a cat eating a mouse for 5 seconds is ridiculous to remove.

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Old 30th May 2010, 05:47 PM
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Arrow unfortunately cannot change the buying habits of the public, arrow can only put together the best package possible and hope that it warrants a purchase, the final decision always lies with the consumer

the fact that so many people are willing to cast aside the new inferno disc for a brief cut is worrying, sales dictate the future of these releases and if it doesnt sell well then who knows what decisions will be taken by arrow in the future, i do not endorse censorship nor blind buying just for support however i do urge people to consider that sales of arrows release of inferno will be used as a gauge for future releases

the cut to inferno has created a unfortunate situation, i would still consider arrow to be a fledgling company and as such maximum support it required to ensure that these types of releases are here for good

dario argentos inferno is not cannibal ferox, it is a beautifully shot highly atmospheric film that thoroughly deserves this kind of treatment from arrow, the missing mouse scene matters not one iota and if any alleged true fans of the film are willing to miss out on an HD special edition of it for the sake of 5 seconds of animal violence then they would be missing out a disc that would allow us maximum appreciation of this classic
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As both P-Mac and Dan have rightly said, there are films that do go to far. We are not talking about Ferox. Neither are we talking Holocaust or any of the other extreme, low budget movies that came out in the seventies / eighties. Due to their censorship histories, no company in their right mind (barring one willing to pre-cut their releasese by ten, eleven, twelve minutes) would ever consider them.

Inferno is indeed above those titles and I have always been convinced that it became involved in the Nasties debate simply due to the time it was released... in the same way that Sam Fuller's classic "The Big Red One" was also drawn into the debate over concerns that it was a porn movie.

It is sad that it has taken one run-in with the censors to split the UK buying public down the centre over this release.

Even more of a concern is that one of the other forums on this site was asking the publics opinion of Arrow taking on the heavily censored Island Of Death and one poster mentions that Arrow should release as many of the video nasty titles as possible. As much as I like this idea (and own a number of the films), this would be crazy as it is still highly likely that reputation alone will see the majority of these censored and then Arrow would have to up the ante in order to try and entice a split target audience into buying them - in turn costing more money.

I, for one, hope that Arrow seriously considers their run of releases and doesn't slip in their judgment. While their release of the classic Silent Night, Deadly Night is a welcome one, a heavily censored video nasty would bring their releases to an untimely end and will plunge us back into the bad old Vipco and Cornerstone Media (who can't even spell cast names of their cover for Stage Fright) releases.
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Old 30th May 2010, 06:27 PM
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i agree that those types of release would only serve to hinder arrow. i believe arrow entered into the releases of inferno and deep red with eyes wide open, im sure that they half expected the animal violence to be removed but felt that it would be inconsequential to their final product, they are 2 amazingy well realised films that deserve the special edition treatment to the maximum, the missing animal violence means nothing and when weighed against a newly produced special edition i know which i would opt for
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I have no doubt that they did expect to see the footage removed from both Inferno and most likely Deep Red. I also have no doubt that they felt it would be inconsequential to their final product.

The only one who knows the truth about the scene is Dario (who as far as i'm aware has never commented), and neither you or I or anyone on this forum is going to convince the DVD buying public of whether it means nothing or not to the film. That is something for the ones who buy the DVD to decide.
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Old 30th May 2010, 06:51 PM
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indeed, it is entirely possible that dario had intended a specific kind of symbolism or metaphorical meaning behind them, it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on this
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Old 30th May 2010, 07:03 PM
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The rat (or mouse) and chariot scene was never meant to be cruel by Tinto Brass but the "Penthouse editing" made it in to something else (as it did with the whole movie).
"For only a moment, we catch a glimpse of Caligula playing with an adorable little pet rat who is harnessed to a rather beautiful little toy chariot. This was nowhere in the script, and so we can safely conclude that the rat and the toy chariot were last-minute improvisations. Later on, the editors and sound recordists and mixers added the sound of the rat howling in distress, giving us quite a wrong impression of what Caligula is actually doing. Next time you watch this scene, shut off the sound so that you can pay more attention to the visuals. You will see that the rat had no objections at all." (http://rjbuffalo.com/tinto5.html)
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Hopefully Calum or someone involved with the interview with Dario can help us out there.

Dario's work both in the giallo and horror genre has always been very heavily built on symbolism, and I would hate to think the scene was there to just be a bit controversial or shocking . There was enough of that being released at the time.
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