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#161
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At the end of the day, if you believe that Argento treated an animal cruelly to make his film, then you should boycott it altogether. After all, you're buying a product that involved animal cruelty in its making - even if it's absent from the release. If you feel that strongly, then I fully expect you not to buy it and support this reckless filmmaker by lining his pockets. So just how strongly do you feel about it? And likewise here, I'm just having a debate - there's no bad feeling on my part, just enjoying the rapport.
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If the BBFC decides to retain the cut in INFERNO: I was wondering if, instead of cutting the scene, Arrow could either pixellate or otherwise obscure the offending shot? It still amounts to 'censorship', but at least it wouldn't interrupt the editorial flow. If I recall correctly, Fox released the movie on VHS many moons ago, and they 'covered' the cut by slowing down one of the surrounding shots, thereby preserving the music score which is such an important part of this particular sequence. If it's too late for that, perhaps this could be considered for any future release of DEEP RED? Unless proof can be obtained that the lizard wasn't impaled for real, perhaps the offending shot can be pixellated rather than removed altogether? A note about this alteration can be added to the beginning of the film, or as part of the supplemental section. Not a perfect solution, perhaps, but slightly better than removing it in its entirety. Would it satisfy the requirements of the BBFC, I wonder? I don't see why not, since it removes all visual traces of the cruelty (had we been able to hear the lizard making a sound of some kind, that might have had to be removed, too). |
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He filmed the ritual, yes. But it was happening anyway and the entire crew knew it was, giving them time to film it. Did you see Hearts of Darkness (his wife's on-set documentary on the film)? If not I advise you do. There was an entire ritual happening at the time - there's some really nasty footage of pigs being impaled in that, with a slightly bemused/ possibly stoned Dennis Hopper looking on.
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I don't mind supporting 'reckless filmmakers' if their work has been censored for reasons of animal cruelty. After all, I have the UK and US version of DEEP RED on DVD since - lizard scene aside - it's a masterpiece. But after seeing CANNIBAL FEROX many years ago (the snake and monkey scene springs immediately to mind), I opted to avoid such foul tripe. I'd like to see the cruelty-free version of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST, but I won't spend money on the US DVD, and the UK version is missing bits of simulated gore and sexual violence alongside the animal stuff, so I can't go with that, either. Does this make me a hypocrite? Well, if we avoided films created by people whose character and viewpoint we didn't like, we wouldn't be able to watch anything at all! Common sense has to be applied on a film-by-film basis, I think. After all, there's no point watching something if you KNOW beforehand that it contains material that's going to offend you! As you can imagine, I won't be rushing out to buy HIDDEN anytime soon!! Thank gawd for that, sez I!... |
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I didn't realise it was documented in Hearts of Darkness - that certainly clears that up and explains why the BBFC passed it. But my point about preserving images of an animal in its death still stands. But...anyway....let's hope the BBFC see sense. I don't think anyone here is excusing animal cruelty, just a bit bewildered at the fact of a cat eating a mouse being considered animal cruelty. I personally believe it was filmed off the cuff, so to speak, and not staged for the camera. That's my opinion, anyway - it doesn't look staged to me, but more like it was shot on the spur of the moment when they saw the cat had caught a mouse.
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I think anyone arguing anything goes with animal cruelty (such as Cannibal Holocaust) needs to answer my point about squash videos etc: you want these freely available? It's been done, right? It's documented. Should they be out there? If we accept not then I think we need to accept a line should be drawn somewhere (as an aside, Cannibal Holocaust plays much better without the animal stuff than with - who wants to see that stuff a second time anyway?) |
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I agree that a line has to be drawn and we have laws in place for that purpose. I haven't watched the 'animal free' version of Holocaust, but I think I will at some point. I mostly bought the Grindhouse disc for the extras, which were worth the price alone. I just think (as do most of us) that a cat eating a mouse, something it naturally does, is not the place to draw that line.
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Those squish videos are repulsive; they sound, disgustingly, somewhat pornographic in a horrid sense! Cannibal Holocaust was a fictional work with a functioning narative; and clumsy decision making during production resulted in questionable and unfogivable footage being produced. I can't see how they can be compared. They are radically different types of film. I'd bracket squish as snuff footage! Last edited by Philleh; 7th June 2010 at 07:29 AM. |
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Blah. If you care about something alive being killed for entertainment only..then yes. Cry a bleeding tear fro all those cockroaches and burn you "Creepshow" DVD's. Or you "Oldboy"...poncy artistic credibility or not. Stages of evolution has nothing to do with it. Try to stamp on a roach and it will try to get away...survival instinct. So if you have a problem with kill any animal for fun, bleed your heart over Romero and many others as well. But this is all garbage any way (concerning old films) because: 1) Acts have already been committed. You are not changing anything removing them.. 2) IF you have a moral problem with the killing of animals for entertainment. DON'T WATCH/SUPPORT THE FILM AT ALL! Censored or not! Anyone on here who moans about that damn lousy mouse but buys the cut "Inferno" anyway....is a hypocrite. So who care what they think. Libretio has purely joined to post on this thread only and tomfly the PETA flag and tut tut at beastly fellows. Well they don't have to buy/support ANY DVD where a fluffy cute critter is snuffed if they do not want. So they are happy. So be happy and leave the rest of us to wallow in our barbarity. And at the end of the day...it's a damn cat eating a damn mouse! Priorities! |
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