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I agree that a line has to be drawn and we have laws in place for that purpose. I haven't watched the 'animal free' version of Holocaust, but I think I will at some point. I mostly bought the Grindhouse disc for the extras, which were worth the price alone.

I just think (as do most of us) that a cat eating a mouse, something it naturally does, is not the place to draw that line.

It says in The Animal Welfare Act 2006:

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2 In section 1 of the Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act 1937 (prohibition of
films involving cruelty to animals), in subsection (4), for paragraph (b)
substitute—
“(b) in relation to England and Wales, the expression “animal”
means a “protected animal” within the meaning of the
Animal Welfare Act 2006.”

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13 For section 3 of the Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996 (interpretation)
substitute—
“3 Interpretation
In this Act “wild mammal” means any mammal which is not a
“protected animal” within the meaning of the Animal Welfare Act
2006.”

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2 “Protected animal”
An animal is a “protected animal” for the purposes of this Act if—
(a) it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Islands,
(b) it is under the control of man whether on a permanent or temporary
basis, or
(c) it is not living in a wild state.

In the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981:

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SCHEDULE 5
ANIMALS WHICH ARE PROTECTED
Common name
Adder (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Bats, Horseshoe (all species)
Bats, Typical (all species)
Beetle, Rainbow Leaf
Burbot
Butterfly, Chequered Skipper
Butterfly, Heath Fritillary
Butterfly, Large Blue
Butterfly, Swallowtail
Cricket, Field
Cricket, Mole
Dolphin, Bottle-nosed
Dolphin, Common
Dragonfly, Norfolk Aeshna
Frog, Common (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Grasshopper, Wart-biter
Lizard, Sand
Lizard, Viviparous (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Moth, Barberry Carpet
Moth, Black-veined
Moth, Essex Emerald
Moth, New Forest Burnet
Moth, Reddish Buff
Newt, Great Crested (otherwise known as Warty newt)
Newt, Palmate (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Newt, Smooth (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Otter, Common
Porpoise, Harbour (otherwise known as Common porpoise)
Slow-worm (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Snail, Carthusian
Snail, Glutinous
Snail, Sandbowl
Snake, Grass (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Snake, Smooth
Spider, Fen Raft
Spider, Ladybird
Squirrel, Red
Toad, Common (in respect of section 9(5) only)
Toad, Natterjack

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SCHEDULE 6
ANIMALS WHICH MAY NOT BE
KILLED OR TAKEN BY CERTAIN METHODS
Common name
Badger
Bats, Horseshoe (all species)
Bats, Typical (all species)
Cat, Wild
Dolphin, Bottle-nosed
Dolphin, Common
Dormice (all species)
Hedgehog
Marten, Pine
Otter, Common
Polecat
Porpoise, Harbour (otherwise known as Common porpoise)
Shrews (all species)
Squirrel, Red

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ANIMALS WHICH ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE WILD
Common name
Bass, Large-mouthed Black
Bass, Rock
Bitterling
Budgerigar
Capercaillie
Coypu
Dormouse, Fat
Duck, Carolina Wood
Duck, Mandarin
Duck, Ruddy
Eagle, White-tailed
Frog, Edible
Frog, European Tree (otherwise known as Common tree frog)
Frog, Marsh
Gerbil, Mongolian
Goose, Canada
Goose, Egyptian
Heron, Night
Lizard, Common Wall
Marmot, Prairie (otherwise known as Prairie dog)
Mink, American
Newt, Alpine
Parakeet, Ring-necked
Partridge, Chukar
Partridge, Rock
Pheasant, Golden
Pheasant, Lady Amherst's
Pheasant, Reeves'
Pheasant, Silver
Porcupine, Crested
Porcupine, Himalayan
Pumpkinseed (otherwise known as Sun-fish or Pond-perch)
Quail, Bobwhite
Rat, Black
Squirrel, Grey
Terrapin, European Pond
Toad, African Clawed
Toad, Midwife
Toad, Yellow-bellied
Wallaby, Red-necked
Wels (otherwise known as European catfish)
Zander

The Dormice have furry tails while the mouse in the film has a normal scaly tail (probably a House Mouse). Listed as an Invasive species in the British Isles.

Those squish videos are repulsive; they sound, disgustingly, somewhat pornographic in a horrid sense! :eek:

Cannibal Holocaust was a fictional work with a functioning narative; and clumsy decision making during production resulted in questionable and unfogivable footage being produced.

I can't see how they can be compared. They are radically different types of film. I'd bracket squish as snuff footage!

Blah.

If you care about something alive being killed for entertainment only..then yes. Cry a bleeding tear fro all those cockroaches and burn you "Creepshow" DVD's.
Or you "Oldboy"...poncy artistic credibility or not.

Stages of evolution has nothing to do with it. Try to stamp on a roach and it will try to get away...survival instinct.
So if you have a problem with kill any animal for fun, bleed your heart over Romero and many others as well.

But this is all garbage any way (concerning old films) because:

1) Acts have already been committed. You are not changing anything removing them..

2) IF you have a moral problem with the killing of animals for entertainment. DON'T WATCH/SUPPORT THE FILM AT ALL! Censored or not!
Anyone on here who moans about that damn lousy mouse but buys the cut "Inferno" anyway....is a hypocrite. So who care what they think.

Libretio has purely joined to post on this thread only and tomfly the PETA flag and tut tut at beastly fellows.
Well they don't have to buy/support ANY DVD where a fluffy cute critter is snuffed if they do not want.
So they are happy.
So be happy and leave the rest of us to wallow in our barbarity.

And at the end of the day...it's a damn cat eating a damn mouse! Priorities!

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Originally Posted by Libretio (Post 84617)

But after seeing CANNIBAL FEROX many years ago (the snake and monkey scene springs immediately to mind.

There is no Snake and monkey scene in Ferox.

I don't think it is hypocrisy to be against animal cruelty and buy a copy of Inferno. I'm not a fan of the KKK, but I own a copy of Birth of a Nation and have watched it a couple of times (both for a university degree) in order to appreciate DW Griffith's filmmaking. Just because you don't like something that may have happened while a film was being made, doesn't stop you from buying it and appreciating the director's skill.

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Originally Posted by 42ndStreetFreak (Post 84642)

No doubt I can see this is something that botherd you but I am going to call on Almar to step in and ask you to start being a bit more respectful of other people's views. We're all on here out of a love of movies and we are all, I think, in agreement that Inferno's cat-mouse scene should remain intact.

Again: let's make this a civil thread.

Thanks.

Phrases such as:

"Anyone on here who moans about that damn lousy mouse but buys the cut "Inferno" anyway....is a hypocrite. So who care what they think.

Libretio has purely joined to post on this thread only and tomfly the PETA flag and tut tut at beastly fellows."

are purely inflammatory and this has turned into a very mean-spirited, ill-tempered thread. I'm closing it down - I may re-open it when the BBFC verdict comes through but until that happens I will have to ask people to discuss this potential cut to the film elsewhere on the web and not on Cult Labs.