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So we're all happy again? For a bit anyway? :pray: It's like a scene out of a film where we all need to realise this cut is destroying us all! :fear: We can't let it defeat us - I think until the BBFC come back with their final ruling there's not much more to be said. :nod: |
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Safe to say though folks - out of any moment of the film that we could live without - this is it? Anyway the verdict isn't in so we're going round in circles here. |
Agreed, this is getting old now! :lol: Hopefully we'll hear back sooner rather than later. |
Now we begin the wait...hope the BBFC hurries up |
Glad we got that out of the way :laugh: |
End of the day if it gets passed uncut I will buy it 100% but not if it's cut. also I feel I do support Arrow enough without people making me feel "obliged" to buy it. |
No one should feel obliged to buy anything - if they do there's no joy in the purchase. Chat about to buy or not to buy based on a potential cut has been done to death on here so let's put that to bed because it makes for seriously tedious reading and only spoils a chance to celebrate a great horror film sorely missed on UK shelves since the 90s. |
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As irritating as any cuts are I think the lack of an Inferno release elsewhere coupled with the package being put together aswell as simply seeing the film in HD may well be hard to resist come the day of release. Like we have often done before , we make do with the best on offer at the time and while the extras for this release may mean the disc remains forever in my collection I have no doubt that I will buy an uncut version of the film when or if it appears - 5 seconds or not |
I got a reply from the BBFC just now: Dear Aarron Thank you for your email and interesting comments. I should point out that no decision has been made about INFERNO. We have not classified this work, and it would not be appropriate to comment on a title under consideration. As you know, the BBFC has a statutory obligation under the Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act 1937 to ensure that no scene "was organised or directed in such a way as to involve the cruel infliction of pain or terror on any animal or the cruel goading of any animal to fury" in regards to works intended for cinema release in the UK. The same consideration is also given to works released on video and DVD. This approach was endorsed by the Home Office at the time of the designation of the Video Recording Act 1984 and subsequently supported by legal opinion. The BBFC takes its legal obligations very seriously. If our examiners have any doubts or concerns over the treatment of animals in the works they view, assurances of well-being are sought from the distributors and / or film-makers. Expert veterinary advice has also been taken on a number of occasions to determine whether cruelty towards animals has been involved during the making of a film. Cuts will be made to films or DVDs where there is clear evidence of on-screen cruelty, or the makers are unable to provide convincing assurances. While a cat eating a mice is a natural, real-life occurrence, if such an incident has been "organised or directed" specifically for the purposes of being filmed - rather than captured on film while occurring naturally as in a wildlife documentary - and involves the cruel infliction of pain, we are legally required by the Act to remove the scene. I hope this explains the situation for you. Yours sincerely, J L Green Chief Assistant (Policy) |
Exact same response for me too! |
so now it seems almost certain this release will be mouseless. oh well |
I do wonder how many viewers would find the scene offensive. To be honest I am a very open minded viewer (or I wouldn't subscribe to this forum!) but I find films like Martyrs and Eden Lake offensive. They are FAR to true to life to be entertaining in my view. Horrid! |
.... Anyway Let's get back to praising the film. I love the scene in the apartment when Giuseppe Verdi's Nabucco is playing on the stereo and the power keeps going on and off. I think this, and the bullet through the eye scene in Opera and Argento's 2 most powerful scenes! :cool::cool::cool::cool: |
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A cut for I split on your grave for example would be harder to dis-miss as the rape scenes are the main part of the story. |
I got the same reply word from word. |
Me too. :nod: |
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Okay...so it's really down now as to whether Arrow has any pertinent information regarding the scene. Other than that, this cut is probably still going to stand, unfortunately. But let's wait and see what they say after a second evaluation of the work. I'm glad they've clarified the point about seeking advice from the Home Office, which clears that grey area up. I can perfectly understand and accept this (and Vince already stated this, I might add). It's tricky, because I'm not sure how the BBFC can pass this scene whilst still demanding similar cuts elsewhere. Oh well, cut or not, let's focus on what we do have (even though a cut would still irk me somewhat) - and that's an HD presentation of Inferno packed with extras. :) |
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It must be a standardised response as I received exactly the same e-mail from the BBFC today. Still, I've got a letter ready to go to my MP which covers the issues raised in the BBFC's e-mail and it will be interesting to see what comes back from that. |
And so did I. |
SNAP! I got one of those too! |
A good lawyer will be able to pick massive holes in that act and get Inferno passed uncut in a morning's work. |
This is tiresome. Can someone lock this thread down until an announcement is made, then start it back up? |
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If you're not interested in a debate on the possible cuts to the film there are other threads covering other aspects of the release |
I suppose you realise the irony of posting a message of support asking that a thread be locked down?! In case you're wondering, this post was meant to be ironic. |
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I suggest you go onto that thread instead if you don't want to talk or read about censorship! |
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As far as I can ascertain, the large majority of forum members, whilst upset this might be the subject of pointless censorship, are still going to buy this title. That's quite a testament to the support Arrow and Shameless have. I'm pretty confident that while there may be a slight dent in sales, this title is still going to do reasonable business. I can understand both sides of the argument - I also detest censorship. But we have it and we have to bite the bullet on that, I'm afraid. I still can't get my head around the fact that it's perfectly lawful to poison a mouse and leave it to die in agony whilst a cat eating a mouse is viewed as animal cruelty. The former is far worse in my opinion. |
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If the opinion is the same to everybody then it´s not a debate, but a consensus. The BBFC have already ruled thin once... CUT. Then, some emails did the magic action of resubmit "Inferno" to a new evaluation. Until another decision I believe it´s pointless for us to throw the same old story. Sure, I want this uncut like evrybody else, but let´s wait for the decision of the BBFC... |
It was just an idea, folks! :D My point was going along with what Almar has been trying to get across: everything has been said already for the past week or two and now it's getting too contentious 'n' venomous. And I DO keep reading because when there's continued activity and I've been away for a day, there's hope that the BBFC has a new verdict that's been posted - and I have to cruise through a bunch of occasionally nasty responses tween folks to find out...nope, no response yet. I guess my idea was self-serving...? |
Tbh,after much deleberation,I'm not too bothered now if the BBFC come back and say the cut will still be made.Sure,I would like an uncut release,we all would and it's a pointless cut but at the end of the day,I can live without the scene (I think!).And that shall be the extent of stevoj's involvment in the BBFC Infeno debate. ( Yes I realize I didn't really debate anything there :D ) |
Having watched the scene in question just yesterday on the old ABUS DVD release, I'd find it very surprising IF the filmmakers actually went through the "trouble" of deliberately staging the whole "cat/mouse" thing- as the bits really have an "insert" feel and could have been taken out of any documentary on cats and mice.:nod: |
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