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Consequently you now have people plugging a rival release on Arrow's forum, which considering the circumstances, is incredibly disrespectful and premature especially when all we have are a few measly screencaps. I would also emphasize that CO has a competitive advantage over Arrow as it has seen Arrow's print and it is deliberately looking for weak spots to improve upon. This is a given amongst dvd companies - the only difference is they do not advertise it. Personally, I think we should be keeping our counsel until we see the finished CO blu in motion and not screencaps. Quote:
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It isn't about complaining, it's about being disappointed with the thus far only BD of Inferno which was anticipated for a long time. It could've been better. It's all even more strange when you look at Arrows COTLD which is a truly stunning BD! With COTLD they didn't scrub away the grain structure, why did they do so with Inferno?
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I've had the old Anchor Bay Inferno DVD for years. I'm perfectly fine with this new home video release. Personally I'm not a huge fan of film grain in my BR films but I accept it. My American Werewolf in London BR is full of grain but that's mainly on the type of film that was used. I don't mind it but I'd rather not see it. Inferno doesn't have that and I'm fine with that. In an age where the Code Red release of Madman (released around the same time as AV Inferno) is horrifically color corrected and interlaced, where the 90 minute supplemental video is pretty amateurish in many technical aspects (as I've stated before I'm a professional video editor myself so I'm picky in certain things, although I've been told I'm not picky enough) I can't believe that the AV Inferno is getting the amount of grief it's getting. To each his own I suppose but as a consumer who's re-purchasing movies I already own in order to get the Arrow Video versions at extra expense I'm obviously very pleased with my purchases. |
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To give an example, I'm sure many people do not agree with the best film of all times lists: examples such as Godfather, Casablanca, Third Man, Seven Samurai, Schindler's List. I bet some people find some of these absolute stinkers - should they alter their position just because they are in the minority? |
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After sleeping on it a night I've decided to answer to this post, mostly to clear up some misconceptions. I have to do it in two posts, because the site wouldn't allow one. First let's tackle this whole silly CO smear campaign: Quote:
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But besides, a lot of people here are actually implying or are just saying that people shouldn't buy the CO disc because of their so-called dubious tactics. One person actually went so far as stating he didn't care about picture quality but only bought releases from labels he trusted or something to that effect. I'm sorry, but that's the logic of a ten year old. When the product of a label is good, buy it, when it isn't don't. I really don't see how all the other things could possibly matter. If it turned out CO was run by a bunch of Nazi's, I really couldn't care less - it's their product that matters. And just to be clear, I have no affiliation whatsoever with CO, I've never even bought one of their discs - Inferno will be the first. Quote:
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And why do you think is it, that for every Predator or Patton DNR disaster, there are, say 100 releases that actually do show grain? Why do you think that virtually all releases of highly regarded companies like Criterion, BFI, Blue Underground, MoC or even most of the major studios, show grain in abundance? Just because it strikes their fancy? No, because that's the way film is supposed to look. Labels like that have an obligation to their films and film-makers, not towards some idiotic nitwit consumers who prefer a waxy DNR image, just because they just don't know where it's at. Also, the rendering of grain is very much dependent of the quality of your blu-ray player. I recently switched from my relatively cheap Momitsu 899 to a much more expensive Oppo 83 and the differences are very pronounced. I suspected it for some time, but wasn't really sure until I watched the beautiful Arrow BD of 'City of the Living Dead' again, the first BD I had watched on both systems. Because of the differences I hooked up my Momitsu again and watched them back to back and it turned out the image on the Oppo was much less grainy than on the Momitsu. On the Oppo the grain is still very much there, but much less obtrusive. The Oppo is actually capable of the making the grain an integral part of the image, so you still have all the advantages of grain (detail, texture, depth etc.), without being 'bothered' by it. So I would suggest to people who call themselves grain-haters (which is really a silly word, it's exactly the same as saying 'I don't like the way celluloid film looks), should invest in a better BD player if they are so much bothered by grain. The differences can be quite spectacular. Finally, let me say something again about the Arrow Inferno. Some people have said that it's not as bad as I make it out to be. Well, I still stand by my convictions 100%, and I shall clarify a bit why. Last night I watched the BD of 'Rio Bravo' for the first time. Throughout the whole picture (except for the last 20 minutes, where it inexplicably suddenly disappears), there is some unfortunate brown, sluggish hue on everything - Dean Martin looked like he had been sunbathing in olive oil for a couple of days. It's far from perfect, but I actually didn't mind that much, because almost everything else looked fine, and most importantly the image was very much alive and breathing - exactly what a BD should do. But all the strong points of the Inferno disc become pretty irrelevant, quite simply because the image never comes to life. So, yes it's sharper, colors are better and the music is spectacular, but what does that all matter when the image is as dead as a doornail - courtesy of the scrubbing out of grain? You can compare it with a dead man: you can dress him up real nice, do his hair and everything and he will look pretty for his funeral, but not only will he never come back to life, he will look dead at all times. The fancy clothes and make-up can never quite conceal that little fact. So that's what the Arrow pretty much boils down to: a dressed-up corpse.
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Potatoes are better than caviar. Caviar is horrible |
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I think this is comment is in extremely poor taste given that this is a German company you're referring to and totally unacceptable behaviour. As such this thread is now closed and I can only offer my apologies that a member on here has decided that this is appropriate language in a debate about Blu-rays. This is very disappointing indeed.
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