New Arrow Titles (Q1) Teasers...

[BAKA]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

OK, but if I was to get the ZFE Blu-Ray from Amazon (current price £13:00), I could not watch it, but if I get the ZFE (DVD) from Amazon (current price £13:00) I can watch it

As I have said elsewhere on the forum, it you (or anyone else) is prepared to buy me a Blu-Ray player, then I will shut up about this, but at the moment, I am not in a position to watch any Blu-Ray films, and I object to buying something that I am unable to enjoy!

Again, not being offensive or confrontational, just stating a fact!

Your facts are contradicting each other though. You're happy to pay exactly the same as a Dual Format release for a DVD only release, but you refuse to 'pay through the nose' for a Dual Format release. I'm bewildered, it doesn't make a lick of sense to me, sorry.

I have no issue with you venting your opinion, but Arrow are a business, it may not make a lot of sense to put out a DVD release on top of the Blu-ray release (especially those films already released on DVD with widespread availability at low prices), and Dual Formats could well be a stop gap solution to attempt to appease those who want DVDs. If they end up stopping the Dual Formats and some releases don't get a DVD release at all, there's no one else to blame but yourselves for not wanting to pay for the added Blu-ray, when they're generally available at the same price as a standalone DVD release might be.

Dual Format releases enable them to manufacture and print more of everything, therefore getting more price breaks per unit (from packaging to disc pressing) and therefore allowing them to put them out at more competitive prices. It may well not be ideal for some DVD only people, but it could very well be that or nothing.

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by BAKA

Your facts are contradicting each other though. You're happy to pay exactly the same as a Dual Format release for a DVD only release, but you refuse to 'pay through the nose' for a Dual Format release. I'm bewildered, it doesn't make a lick of sense to me, sorry.

On both the amazon site - Zombie Flesh Eaters [Blu-ray]: Amazon.co.uk: Tisa Farrow, Ian McCulloch, Richard Johnson, Lucio Fulci: Film & TV - and the Arrow site - Zombie Flesh Eaters - where does it say that it is dual format?

Originally Posted by BAKA

I have no issue with you venting your opinion, but Arrow are a business

Exactly, and where is the sense in alienating customers by releasing things that cannot be viewed. Back in the day, I would not buy a film on Betamax because I didn't have any way of watching it

Originally Posted by BAKA

some releases don't get a DVD release at all

Again, that is the point I am trying to make (and obviously failing to do so). How can I support Arrow Films when I am being put in a position where I cannot actually watch their products?

Originally Posted by BAKA

there's no one else to blame but yourselves for not wanting to pay for the added Blu-ray, when they're generally available at the same price as a standalone DVD release might be

Grrrr - tell that to my bank manager!

Originally Posted by BAKA

Dual Format releases enable them to manufacture and print more of everything, therefore getting more price breaks per unit (from packaging to disc pressing) and therefore allowing them to put them out at more competitive prices. It may well not be ideal for some DVD only people, but it could very well be that or nothing.

Indeed, and in my current financial situation, it'll have to be nothing

Again, please do not misunderstand my point. I am a HUGE fan of Arrow releases, and I constantly recommend the label to people I know who love cult films. All I am saying is that I think it is wrong and unfair to release films that I (and others) are unable to watch because we are not in the situation to own players that actually show the releases to their full potential

[BAKA]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

On both the amazon site - Zombie Flesh Eaters [Blu-ray]: Amazon.co.uk: Tisa Farrow, Ian McCulloch, Richard Johnson, Lucio Fulci: Film & TV - and the Arrow site - Zombie Flesh Eaters - where does it say that it is dual format?

You're missing the point. Two single format releases, both at £13. The last 4 Dual Format releases from Arrow (Who Dares Wins / The Wild Geese / The House by the Cemetery / Class of Nuke em High) all EXACTLY the same price on Amazon (£13). There is no difference in price.

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

Exactly, and where is the sense in alienating customers by releasing things that cannot be viewed. Back in the day, I would not buy a film on Betamax because I didn't have any way of watching it

By including a DVD which will have the same content of the Blu-ray disc I still fail to see how they're alienating anyone.

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

Again, that is the point I am trying to make (and obviously failing to do so). How can I support Arrow Films when I am being put in a position where I cannot actually watch their products?

Dual Format releases are about inclusion. People may think because they're getting a Blu-ray aswell that it means they're paying for something they don't need but that is not always how it works. As I mentioned in my earlier post, they're able to keep the cost per unit down by catering to both audiences as opposed to one.

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

Again, please do not misunderstand my point. I am a HUGE fan of Arrow releases, and I constantly recommend the label to people I know who love cult films.

I can completely see that, and have no issue with anyone venting or expressing their opinion. Everyone here should have that right, and this is very much the place to do it.

[it'smebilly]

I'm a Bava virgin but I think I will definitely give those two ago, reminds me I need to pick the bay of blood BD up too.

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[Daemonia]

On the flip side of Suzi's argument, I'm pretty much only buying Blu at the moment. I, also, don't want to be saddled with a DVD copy I don't really want. Why not separate DVD and Blu releases?

[fuzzymctiger]

Originally Posted by Daemonia

On the flip side of Suzi's argument, I'm pretty much only buying Blu at the moment. I, also, don't want to be saddled with a DVD copy I don't really want. Why not separate DVD and Blu releases?

I like the idea of Dual Format, as I can watch the blu ray at home, and the DVD at friends places, on holidays, in other rooms.

But I don't buy DVDs anymore, unless they're from a small company like Arrow or Shameless, because inevtiabely, they'll come out on blu ray eventually.

This is why, as much as I love Bad Taste and The Burning, I'm not buying the DVDs, as I can see a blu ray in the near future, especially with The Burning.

And whoever has In The Mouth Of Madness, needs to pull their finger out and release it on Blu!

[Stephen@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Daemonia

On the flip side of Suzi's argument, I'm pretty much only buying Blu at the moment. I, also, don't want to be saddled with a DVD copy I don't really want. Why not separate DVD and Blu releases?

Because, as already mentioned, Arrow probably save some money by putting both the BD and dvd versions in the same packaging, and with a dual format release being roughly the same price (usually) as a BD version on it's own. (Yes, I do know the dvd version would be a couple of pounds cheaper before anyone says), in the long run, everyone wins. Sure, someone might not need, or want the dvd version, but those who are dvd only at the moment, will save having to pay full price for the BD version later if they decide to go blu.

[mr 420]

Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs

Not a silly arguement at all.....as I could do with a bra well, I could do with a visit to a gym, but a bra is the easier option.

It's not a bra, it's an athletic support!

[Refused]

[platostotal]

Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs

Because, as already mentioned, Arrow probably save some money by putting both the BD and dvd versions in the same packaging, and with a dual format release being roughly the same price (usually) as a BD version on it's own. (Yes, I do know the dvd version would be a couple of pounds cheaper before anyone says), in the long run, everyone wins. Sure, someone might not need, or want the dvd version, but those who are dvd only at the moment, will save having to pay full price for the BD version later if they decide to go blu.

What I don't get is... If a company can make profit selling a dvd/blu package for £13.99 why can't we have say a blu for £11 and a dvd for £5? (yes it's my old price whinge again) surely a pound on each covers packaging, that would shift many more units as well, at the moment it seems they give a dvd away for free in these dual formats, nice but what does that say about dvd prices, or how can a company afford to master a film to dvd then give it away?