Kudos to Shameless as this is a very very brave release. We all know the notoriety of the movie - many have been put off by the animal violence, but equally many have been put off due to the heavy censorship in the UK. To put it out on Blu too in what I can only believe is a re-cut version is incredibly brave too. Again, well done Shameless ... a big risk, but I hope it pays off. :clap: |
Rumblings at uni indicate a lot of input from Deodato who is working with the Cine Excess team. The HD print is supposed to be fantastic ;) |
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Very intriguing. Can't wait to see what emerges! |
I love the music in Cannibal Holocaust as it works in juxtaposition to the images. You could take it away from the film and put it on a commercial for shampoo or something like that and I imagine it would still work! |
I've always thought that it was Riz Ortolani's best work. |
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I currently own the A.W.E release of this and welcome a new hd release on blu ray which you can count me in for a copy, i always thought that the animal scenes in the movie shouldn't have been there in the first place as this is shocking enough in its context of the grim fate of the humans involved, i think this now minus the animal stuff will still hold just as shocking and as controversial as it ever has... Can't wait to see how Deodato handles this planned release :rockon: |
I'm really excited to hear about this release. I dont own a copy of Cannibal Holocaust (I've tried to order it from the US twice once the order was mysteriously cancelled and the other time it just never turned up), so a Shameless addition is really welcome. Like everyone else I have no interest in seeing the animal cruelty, and if Shamless can put a version togther that has everything else but the animal stuff, then there's nothing in the world that'll stop me from buying it. Especially as its going to be in HD! :clap: :woot: :clap: :woot: |
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First seeing this film uncut and watching the animals being killed for real on screen really did have a massive impact. You really got a feeling that if the film makers were willing to pull off that nasty shit then what the hell else would they do to 'get the shot' in other scenes. It added a weird sense of gritty realism that has stayed with me to this day. I can now watch it without the need to see the cruelty, I've had that scratch itched. Wasn't too pleasant but I feel it was necessary all the same. I look forward to seeing how Deodato finely tunes his film all these years later. |
Is it animal cruelty if the animal is being killed for the pot ? After all Bear Grylls kills and eats "live things" which is deemed ok for TV & DVD, so really would BBFC ask for cuts ?:censored: I'm a celeb blah blah turns it into a ghoulish entertainment treat. Just playing devils advocate really. |
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This is revolutionary stuff, and full credit to all of those who are attempting to pull it off :clap: |
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It is a great idea to get Deodato on board to revisit the film and approach a new edit for the UK market though. |
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It'll be the fourth time I'll pick this one up- vhs and laserdisc not counted- but hey, it's "Cannibal Holocaust" and it's one of my all time faves!:cool::clap: |
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I'm proper excited about this news, I'm one of those rare horror fans who've never actually seen this film. As I'm going to collect all the Shameless BD's regardless of the title, this is just great news for me. |
I was first with the name of director :nod: http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/123513-post49.html |
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Well this is pretty amazing news. I've actually never watched the film - the descriptions of the animal violence put me off and I'm buggered if I'm going to pay to watch Vipco's 'U' rated version. However, it does have a reputation as a very powerful film, so if it gets through the BBFC uncut I'll definitely be buying this one. |
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An animal cruelty free version would be nice. Mine's the Ultra bit 2 Disc edition, so there's no such option to view it without any of the animal violence. I'll be interested to see what else happens with this release if Shameless have gotten extras for it that have never been seen, or other footage. So, it'll be nice to see! I'd pick it up for that alone. :D |
Cannibal Holocaust on Blu-Ray did I hear! If any film is going to get me to sign-up to this forum (after a good year of lurking) it is this one. Pleased to hear that Shameless are behind this, it seems to me a no-brainer, if any film would be worth throwing a hefty advertising campaign behind it is this one ("the most notorious nasty of all time....blah, blah, blah"), they could make a mint off this one, if done well, drawing in the casual fan and the aficionado. As for the new-cut I do hope it is merely the removal of the animal cruelty (which adds nothing to the powerful nature of the film) and addition of new scenes (we can all hope!). Taking a steer from Melonfarmers, how much of the below do we feel would remain intact when resubmitted to the BBFC (bar the animal cruelty): The distributor therefore agreed to make five minutes 44 seconds of cuts to remove unacceptable elements, after which the film was passed '18' for video and DVD release. * The killing of a muskrat has been deleted * Our intrepid adventurers witness the riverside murder and mutilation of a woman presumably by her husband. We don't get to witness: o the girl being dragged through the mud and having her legs forced apart o the girl struggling and being raped with a wooden dildo o the man raising a mudball with spikes and the subsequent shot of genital mutilation * Another woman getting raped on the river bank has been removed * The disembowelling of a giant turtle has been predictably deleted * A monkey gets his head sliced open and its blood is drained into a bowl...but not in the censored version * The kicking of a tethered pig has been removed and its subsequent shooting and death * The rape one of a native girl by 3 men has been reduced * The cannibals eventually overpower the adventurers. The woman in the party gets stripped and raped but not in the UK version. * The woman's death scene is missing nudity shots. I remember the first rape scene with the wooden dildo being particularly disturbing on the first viewing (Ortolani's score making it all the more so), I would have my doubts as to that scene and the scene with the genital mutilation after the spiked mud ball. Thoughts? In any event an exclusive cut of the film presented by Deodato in glorious H.D is something to wet the appetite and presents much intrigue, no doubt one of 2011's most anticipated releases. Good luck with it folks. (oh and hello everyone!);) |
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As mentioned earlier,the score for CH is one of the most beautiful scores ever,such a pleasant melody for such a brutal film! Let's hope the Vladimir boy who 'rescored' Romero's classic NOTLD isn't mates with Deodato! :shocked::eek::fear: Should've kept that one for April the 1st! :lol: |
Well, all the animal cruelty would have to go as per their guidelines so count all that out. As for the sexual violence, I'd say.. 50/50. It's one of the things the BBFC haven't changed much on. It's nearly okay to show anything aslong as it isn't sexualised torture or rape these days. Apparently there SOME research that shows that it MAY be harmful to certain viewers so it's a policy they'll always have for a long time. I'm guessing the following would be cut for current '18'. Shots of the dildo rape and mudspike. The girl being raped by a cannibal on the riverbank. Shots of Faye's rape would still be cut, including the shot of her vagina as she dragged away. So yeah, that's what I think anyway. |
This is an essential purchase on Blu Ray for me, looking forward to seeing what goodies we get as extras! |
it's on my list! |
After all these years, I don't think the sexual violence is that convincing anymore in CH. Maybe Shameless will get lucky .... after all, we know how both Shameless and Arrow have approached the BBFC in such a professional manner before and that by now the raport must be very good between them. |
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Whilst more and more is getting through than ever now-a-days, you just don't know and a film as notorious as this would be ease to chop from just to ensure your not totally seen as losing face (think Daily Mail headline.......) On the other hand, I would like to hope sans the Animal Cruelty and the shot of Faye at the end of her trauma the film will remain intact. |
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Face it, Holocaust came on the tail end of the Jacopetti/Prosperi mondo movies, and just before the Castagliones had gone to the extremes of Shocking Africa and Addio Ultimo Uomo. It tried to crossover the fictitious appeal of jungle adventure with the lucrative success of the mondo film. It was a product of its era. Everything within the film was an essential of its time, and to remove one thing now because it doesn't fit in with modern sensibilities and leave other, equally unpalatable sequences intact, is in my opinion ridiculous. These people who argue how difficult the animal footage is to watch - can they honestly say they find it so much easier to watch a genuinely heavily pregnant woman, naked, go through the violent actions of an enforced abortion? Or another woman have her vagina repeatedly pummelled as an excuse for male sexual superiority? The animals were killed. It happened. Its just one of the things that made Holocaust such a powerful film. Take it away, you dilute Deodato's original vision (not the user-friendly version he's talking about today in different climes). Either leave it as the director intended, or forget it. Thats my genuine and honest opinion having followed the film in a multitude of versions since its original release by Go Video in the early 1980s. I certainly would never watch an animal cruelty free version. |
I think most people find the animal cruelty so abhorrent because it's real, unlike the sexualised violence, which isn't. I can honestly say that I can easily stomach the many violent (sexual or otherwise) acts inflicted on humans in this film (and many others) when compared with the ones inflicted for real on the animals. That's not to say I haven't seen (and own) the uncut version (more than once), and would certainly watch it again, as Cannibal Holocaust is a film almost designed to prey on your senses and makes no excuses for its abhorrent nature. However, I do prefer to watch the animal cruelty free version, as for me it works better as a film. As bigandya stated (and don't think I'm singling you out here!), CH came hot on the heels of a Mondo craze, so it was almost expected of the Director to include footage of this type, like it had almost become a staple ingredient; these ingredients, aside from shock value (which some may argue intensify the film's purpose and meaning), add nothing but a disruption to the flow of the movie, for me. Plus, the animal cruelty depicted throughout CH has been widely reported as something that Deodato now regrets. Whether or not purists will buy this new release is another matter, but with Deodato personally overseeing the edit, I see this as more of a Director's Cut than simply 'cutting out all the animal violence so it can get through the BBFC'. In any respect, I'm certainly curious as to what this release will entail. |
I'll be interested in seeing a definitive cut of CH. It's been a long time coming and I feel that the movie deserves this kind of release, given the influence it has had on modern cinema. The cine-excess event look promising. I'm still not happy with their tagline; "Taking Trash Seriously":mmph: |
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The definitive version of a film, to me, is the one that went out and screened in cinemas on the films first theatrical run. The director signed it off as 'good to go' at the time and it went out in the version that fitted with the era's trends and sensibilities. Any revision in the future is fine being labeled as a 'redux' or 'director's cut' but 'definitive'? The definitive version of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST simply has to have the animal killings up there on screen. |
Sorry to be pedantic Jonny but directors don’t always sign off as good to go at the time of the initial release – sometimes the studio (or production company) or producers overrule the director’s final cut and it’s a bastardization of that version that is released – therefore a director’s cut (or in the case of BLADE RUNNER “Final Cut”) is the definitive version. In the case of Cannibal Holocaust I firmly believe the film was released exactly how Deodato wanted it to be seen at the time it was made. I think his change of heart in recent years is more than likely borne out of guilt that’s come with old age or having been slapped into a corner by the PC mob. Who knows? Maybe he’ll explain his reasons in full when he participates in the new extras. I certainly hope so because I think it’s a fascinating subject. |
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As I mentioned before, I'm excited to see just how Deodato approaches the material for his new cut but like you, I do believe the version as originally released is definitive because of its notoriety. There always room for more than one cut of a film as far as I’m concerned and as I said before, Deodato’s newfound distaste for some of the scenes make a compelling argument for a new version to exist. |
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