CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST on Blu-ray - Problems with sound!
 

I watched my Shameless BR of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST for the first time last night, since having it stuck on my shelves since the original day of release, and my copy seems to exhibit some quite iffy audio/picture-synchronisation issues.

There are large moments of the film, when the sound is about 1 second ahead of the image, so people's mouths and their voices are out-of-sync. :( Most previous releases haven't exhibited this issue, with the odd moment when the actor on-screen isn't speaking in English, and their voice has been dubbed.

The problem appeared worse on the Ruggero Deodato New Edit version of the film, but was occasionally noticeable on the original version on the same disc, also. Is my copy faulty, or does everyone else's Shamless BR version exhibit this same problem? :confused: I am playing the disc via a Sony BR player connected via an HDMI lead to my Panasonic Viera TV, and using just the TV's speakers.

Other member's help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. :clap:

Yeah i noticed the sound was out of sync at round about the half way mark but i didn't complain as the whole package seemed a bit cheap to me anyway so i wasn't amazed to find this problem with it and i intend to buy it again anyway when a better package is released in another country

Whaa? 'Cheap package'? In what way? It's a fantastic release, marred only by the lack of an uncut film, an issue to do with the Uk's embarrassingly outdated stance on film censorship which has nothing to do with Shameless.

I have to be honest, I didn't notice any round issues although I am planning on watching it again so will let you know.

Well you had two versions of the film and the extras all cramed on to one disc so the bit rate was compromised the extras which were meant to be HD looked like upscaled SD to me and there have been far more extras on the previously released DVDs so all in all it came across as a pretty cheap package the disc would have benefited greatly if they had dropped that 'New Edit' nonsense and concentrate on getting the best sound and picture on the longest available version then maybe there wouldn't be sync issues and maybe the picture would've looked richer and stronger but as it is i don't regret getting it as it 's the only Blu-Ray that was available, i was interested in seeing the extras and i already have the Ultrabit edition uncut on DVD

I disagree. It was on a 50gb disc so by that line of thought all single-layered bluray discs are a waste of time and have compromised AV quality.

This film has jungle scenes in broad daylight and yet the bit rate hardly ever goes higher than 14mbs per second these scenes on any other disc i have average the mid 20s sometimes even higher but this disc can't do that because the storage space has been pushed to the limit, if they wanted to they could put another two hours of stuff on this disc and it would still fit but that would compromise the bit rate further, just because you can it doesn't mean you should because the quality will be compromised, if you can get hold of Blue Underground's release of The Living Dead The Manchester Morgue a film with a low budget and made 5 years before Cannibal Holocaust compare the picture and compare the bit rate and you'll see what i'm talking about.

I'm not having a go at anyone but the data does speak for itself it's all there on the machine for everyone to look at.

This princible is not new when VHS recorders were made able to turn 4 hour tapes into 8 hour tapes the picture was compromised, compare 4 perforation widescreen Panavision to 2 perforation Techniscope and you'll see the difference, all these decsions were taken because of economic reasons and not quality control.

To be honest, I thought it looked pretty damn good. But then I spent my time watching the film, not watching the fluctuating bitrate :)

Each to their own etc etc :)

There is a French BD but I don't know how it compares to the Shameless edition.

I sold my Shameless edition and is waiting for the Grindhouse BD. Which means a 10 year wait.

Personally I couldn't give a crap about all that. I watch a film to enjoy, not to get worked up about the disc space used or squat really close to the telly in the hope of spotting dirt or problems with compression etc.

But if that's what people like doing, then that's fine :)

Robw285 - Thanks for confirming the issue. At least I know it's not just my disc, or my BR player.

Thread can be closed now, as it has served its purpose, and I don't want this to become a Shameless-bashing thread, or a CH-bashing thread. :(

I buy my Shameless stuff on dvd only and have Cannibal Holocaust on dvd. I think it looks outstanding and that's dvd so can't imagine what the BD looks like.

I'm aware of the French edition but i'm not sure if it's English friendly and lot of French discs lock on the subtitles when the English track is selected

As far as I'm aware, the French Blu-Ray of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST has either a French-language audio track, and/or the English audio track, but it plays with non-removeable French language subtitles.

As such, it's not a release I would recommend, even if it does contain the full uncut version of the original version of teh film. (It doesn't contain the 2011 "New Edit" by Deodato, from what I've heard.)

That's what i thought, it's pretty typical of French discs to lock on their subtitles, i think it's best to get it from an English speaking country so the spanish dialogue early in the film has English subtitles, when i first saw the film nearly 20 years ago it was from a Belgian VHS which had Dutch and French Subtitles on the screen at the same time so i don't want to go back to that.

The French Blu-ray.
 

I have the French Blu-ray and the French subtitles are not forced when watching the film in English. Quite a surprise for a French disc. The picture is quite nice. Not a huge leap up from DVD though and it has some of the nasty waxiness that we see all too often with Italian HD masters these days. Looking at screenshots from Shameless' disc I'd say it has the upper hand although having not seen it in motion I can't say for sure. The French disc is uncensored although it uses the shorter "Long Road To Hell" sequence. The extras are not English friendly.

Does it have the early scenes in spanish subtitled in English?

No, unfortunately not.

You and me both.

You and me both again!

I'm keeping my Shameless DVD and BR releases purely for any collectable value they may attain in the future.

What? A mere decade's wait for GR's U.S. BR?! I think we'll be closer to retirement age before Sage Stallone and co. get their act together!:rolleyes:

The protracted time period damn well better be worth it!:)

Amen to that and as long as my fave films look good to me then i'm a happy bunny.:)

I just ordered the disc. Now, if Shameless was INSISTING on a 1-disc release (i'm talking about the blu-ray ofcourse), why wasn't it seamlessly branched, considering there were a good deal of extras to cramp on to the disc too (and the disc IS "cramped", its a dual-layer disc and it uses the whole disc (~49gb). Really makes one wonder if the bitrates didn't suffer.

Havn't watched it yet ofcourse, but if there's synch issues on BOTH versions of the film, DESPITE it being non-seamlessly branched, then i...well, then i don't think i'll bother with more of Shameless' future Blu-Rays. And then we have the UK censorship. 14 secs cut. I'll hold on to both my Ultrabit and my Grindhouse UNcut releases (the latter has a version with milder animal cruelty too, and although its a 2-disc DVD, they've successfully done what Shameless should have done on the Blu-Ray: used seamless branching).