The Concert Thread

[Graveyard]

Rage Against the Machine in a festival with bands I never heard before - deja vu moment, last time I watched them live (on another it's the last time we will make a reunion) - waited almost 6 hours listen to shitty bands just to seem them for 2 hours.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Look at that list of corporate sponsors at the bottom of the bill.

Rage Against the Machine?

Don't make me laugh.

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by gag

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Originally Posted by Susan Foreman

It was thought that The Who would be at this event

Mind you, they have free days between Mar 26th - 29th, and nothing has been announced for the TCT shows on the 28th...

She shoots...she scores!

[Susan Foreman]

George Thorogood & The Destroyers: Good To Be Bad: 45 Years Of Rock tour

JULY 2020

London O2 Shepherd’s Bush Empire – Mon 20th
York Barbican – Wed 22nd
Liverpool Philharmonic Hall – Thu 23rd
Nottingham Royal Concert Hall – Fri 24th
Birmingham Symphony Hall – Sun 26th
Manchester Bridgewater Hall – Mon 27th
Glasgow SEC Armadillo – Tue 28th

[gag]

Alanis Morissette

[Susan Foreman]

This is bad news

EU Bands Will Need Touring Visas To Perform In The UK From 2021 | Kerrang

"Not only will a Tier 5 visa be required for gigs, festivals etc., it also applies if any non-UK artists are coming to the country for promotional activities, workshops, talks and other such events. This visa is expected to cost £244, and on top of that applicants must reportedly also prove that they have £1,000 in savings 90 days before even applying for it.

...“Major alarm bells are going off with those who are familiar with the gruelling U.S. work visa process. For those who don’t know, it costs around £1,000 per band member from the UK/EU to obtain a visa, which takes a lot of preparation and can take months to get approved. Sometimes they are declined and there’s nothing you can do about it. This is a cost and effort that bands are willing to spend to get to the USA, which is the world’s largest market for rock music. If we’re faced with similar visa costs, will small and maybe even medium-sized European bands be willing to pay that to come to the UK? Given the tight budgets bands are already working within, probably not. Will small UK bands be able to afford to tour Europe? Probably not, unless they have well-paying jobs or generous parents.”"

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Susan Foreman

This is bad news

EU Bands Will Need Touring Visas To Perform In The UK From 2021 | Kerrang

"Not only will a Tier 5 visa be required for gigs, festivals etc., it also applies if any non-UK artists are coming to the country for promotional activities, workshops, talks and other such events. This visa is expected to cost £244, and on top of that applicants must reportedly also prove that they have £1,000 in savings 90 days before even applying for it.

...“Major alarm bells are going off with those who are familiar with the gruelling U.S. work visa process. For those who don’t know, it costs around £1,000 per band member from the UK/EU to obtain a visa, which takes a lot of preparation and can take months to get approved. Sometimes they are declined and there’s nothing you can do about it. This is a cost and effort that bands are willing to spend to get to the USA, which is the world’s largest market for rock music. If we’re faced with similar visa costs, will small and maybe even medium-sized European bands be willing to pay that to come to the UK? Given the tight budgets bands are already working within, probably not. Will small UK bands be able to afford to tour Europe? Probably not, unless they have well-paying jobs or generous parents.”"

Well they charge enough for tickets.

[gag]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

Well they charge enough for tickets.

Or the fact that they sell tickets upto a year before, if playing at several arena then must have 10million plus worth in ticket sales, so think of all the interest that money made even before the concert .

[Justin101]

I think the article is referring to bands who would play at clubs or smaller academy venues to around 200-300 people. If they have to fork out £1000 each to get a visa and then perform perhaps 3-4 gigs in the country then it's suddenly not looking worth their while. If that ends up being the case we'll start seeing a lot less interesting stuff coming to the country. As an example, Ulver are playing 3 gigs in May, as part of their European tour. They rarely tour or play gigs and they definitely don't usualy play in the UK...

If you're playing in Arena's, even just 1 night at Wembley as part of a tour, you have a whole team of people working for you and they'll sort that visa out for you, it wouldn't even be a question.

[Nosferatu@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Justin101

I think the article is referring to bands who would play at clubs or smaller academy venues to around 200-300 people. If they have to fork out £1000 each to get a visa and then perform perhaps 3-4 gigs in the country then it's suddenly not looking worth their while. If that ends up being the case we'll start seeing a lot less interesting stuff coming to the country. As an example, Ulver are playing 3 gigs in May, as part of their European tour. They rarely tour or play gigs and they definitely don't usualy play in the UK...

If you're playing in Arena's, even just 1 night at Wembley as part of a tour, you have a whole team of people working for you and they'll sort that visa out for you, it wouldn't even be a question.

I've seen several folk bands talk about the joys of touring around Europe and how that contributes to songwriting and their own growth as musicians. I wonder if they would be able to do the same if it required a significant financial outlay and time-consuming bureaucracy.

This article in the Independent is worth reading in its entirety:

Priti Patel warned her immigration crackdown will ‘cut the legs off’ the UK music industry

Priti Patel’s immigration crackdown will “cut the legs off” the thriving UK music industry, a leading figure has said, warning that artists will be forced to cancel tours and small venues will be put in jeopardy.

In a blistering attack, the Incorporated Society of Musicians said the Home Office has turned its back on the creative arts – worth £111bn a year to the economy, similar to banking – and refused to listen to its pleas for help.

“Enormous” numbers of bands from EU countries will be shut out by the huge cost and frightening bureaucracy of performing, dealing a hammer blow to the venues that host them, it said.

Moreover, UK artists will feel the pain if Brussels slaps similar restrictions on tours to EU countries, in the post-Brexit trade talks that have already turned ugly.

“This is taking a shotgun and shooting ourselves in the foot,” the society’s chief executive, Deborah Annetts, told The Independent.

Ignoring civil servants hasn’t worked out for Priti Patel in the past
The harsh new rules have been brought in despite former culture minister Nigel Adams promising last month to shelter the creative industries from Brexit, saying: “It’s absolutely essential that free movement for artists is protected post-2020.”

Instead, in just 10 months’ time, anyone from the EU seeking to perform in the UK will need to:

* Apply for a visa to enter the UK, at a cost of £244 for each group member;

* Provide proof, 90 days before applying, that they have almost £1,000 in savings and so can support themselves, unless they are “A-rated”;

* Provide a certificate of sponsorship from an event organiser – who must take responsibility for them – or a letter of invitation in some circumstances.

It means the onerous paperwork that is already required of non-EU artists – and blamed for global stars being unable to perform at the Womad festival and others – will be imposed on EU musicians.

However, Ms Annetts absolved the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of blame, revealing that it had “lost” a Whitehall battle with the hardline Home Office.


“The Home Office has failed to grasp that touring and the creative industries are not about immigration, but are a global industry in which people move around all the time,” she said.


“It’s been that way since the troubadours in Chaucer’s time – you picked up your lute and off you go.

“This will cut the legs off the bottom half of the music industry. And what is going to happen to our small venues who have to go through this process to bring artists across from the EU?”

Lifting the lid on a two-year battle, Ms Annetts said: “We really believed, for the first time, that the Home Office was listening, so what has been announced came as a total shock to us.”

On the need for proof of £1,000 in savings, she added: “That’s fine if you’re Bruce Springsteen but not if you’re a small rock band from Scandinavia trying to make it by playing in a few north London pubs.”

Pointing to a likely tit-for-tat crackdown by the EU, she warned: “They can’t think about this in isolation, they need to think about UK musicians who will want to tour Europe.

“This could be harming them in a very short time, which makes the policy so short-sighted. The Home Office just doesn’t get it.”

The criticism follows a fierce backlash against the crackdown, which was unveiled on Wednesday and will replace free movement with a minimum salary threshold of £25,600 for most workers.

It was branded “a disaster” by social-care leaders, who fear a deepening recruitment crisis, while business leaders warned of problems for companies in lower-wage parts of the UK.

Ms Patel was then ridiculed for claiming 8 million “economically inactive” Britons could plug the jobs gap, only for it to be pointed out that the vast majority are unpaid carers, the long-term sick, and students.


Mr Adams, who was replaced as culture minister by Caroline Dinenage last month, vowed weeks before the reshuffle to save free movement for artists, saying: “Touring is absolutely the lifeblood of the industry.”

The Incorporated Society of Musicians called for a two-year, multi-entry visa as a fallback, but that too was rejected.

A government spokesperson said: “Musicians and performers are a valued and important part of UK culture.

“The UK attracts world-class artists, entertainers and musicians and that’s not going to change under the new system.”

A spokesperson attempted to argue that the system would not change for artists despite the concerns raised.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9347921.html