When will we get the information about what these extras scenes/bits are? I'm curious about this, as I've never heard of missing bits before (just that scene that was misplaced in BU's & others' editions). Also, what are the chances of TORSO getting a blu-ray release? I'd like to get the dvd, but if there's even a slight chance, I'll pass for now. |
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As for Torso, I really can't say. I can say that there are no plans at the present time for it. Obviously, for the future, it depends on things like whether a good HD master comes available and also whether it would be worth Shameless spending the money to put it out on Blu-ray. With Shameless being such a small company and Blu-rays being expensive to produce, it's a careful balancing act. So, as for that, I just can't say. There is this thread seeing what already released Shameless titles people would like to see released on Blu-ray. I'd say it's best to make known your desire for Torso there as Shameless do check it. |
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It's posts like this that seem to justify the BBFC's decision as, from what you have said, you are only interested in the gore elements and not in the construction, direction or artistic merits of films at all. As for "destroying one of the most gruesome murders ever shot by Fulci", the cuts are very brief and have been very well edited by Shameless so, if you didn't know that the film was cut, you wouldn't notice that anything was missing. It isn't ideal that the BBFC decided to cut the film but I, for one, am intrigued to see what Shameless have found to make those who longest ever rele version of New York Ripper ever seen. |
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I AM interested in the entire films, but come on, do you rather watch censored versions of Fulci´s films or uncut versions? The same goes for ALL italian horror/splatter movies. Oh well. Nothing you can do about BBFC´s decision. I´m not gonna rant anymore ;) I do look forward to what´s coming up next on BD from Shameless. |
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You're not missing anything as nothing has been announced. That doesn't stop us from debating the titles we would like to see in HD and a nice yellow Blu-ray case, does it? |
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I would even get "Manhattan Baby" if they release it. Not one of Fulci´s better movies, but still very entertaining :) The wires on the dead birds would be even more visible :lol: |
I watched The New York Ripper for the first time today, and I must say I quite enjoyed it.I've had the Anchor Bay DVD sitting on my shelf for years and have never watched it in its entirety until today.This is the uncut version which has a misplaced scene involving a freeze frame of Paolo Malco.It's a good film, better than The Beyond & House by the Cemetery imo, but my Fulci faves are still City of the Living Dead & Zombie Flesh Eaters. :nod: |
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Afraid I don't know this at the moment. I'm seeing if Shameless can give me more details so hopefully I'll know more soon! :) |
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With the way the cuts were made to the DVD, I don't think it destorys the release totally. To be fair, it's not even half a minute that has to be cut, only 22+ some odd seconds? When I watched the offending scene it seemed like it had very little on-screen time anyway. But it will put collectors of owning it because no matter how little has been cut, it's still a cut version. I haven't read through all of this thread, but if the extras are good I may pick it up. The HD aspect doesn't make a difference to me. I don't much care for the whole HD thing, if the DVD quality is good, it does me. I still have my Shameless DVD of it, and recently got the AWE (Another World Entertainment) release. :D |
Sarah, I don't know if I can make you promise or swear to it, but could you put the information on here as soon as you receive it? |
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Once upon a time, horror fans would freak over cuts to a movie and there could be no defending them. What kind of crazy, upside-down, Twilight Zone world do we live in, in which a cut release is defending? :loco: (Btw, I'm not trying to start crap, just making an observation of the Bizarre. I really don't care if folks wanna buy it or not -- I'm just wondering/stating aloud online is all. I grew up watching movies/filmmakers/etc. battle with the MPAA in the US throughout the 80s and 90s over cuts/obsenity/etc. and can't recall anyone ever doing this back then. It's really difficult for me to wrap my head around. And, also btw, no flame-wars or commentaries on Shameless or its fans intended. Ok? Ok!) |
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I think the point here is that Shameless are putting a lot of effort into the release still and what's piqued my interest more than anything is the extra footage. I already have the BU version and I'm quite happy to double dip for what will be an interesting variation. Some have put down this release and then want Shameless to explore their wish list on BD. I'm sure what else comes along will be dependant on the success of NYR so it's a vicious circle. As for how it's been cut/edited, I will add my own comment having watched the dvd that it is very well done. Once again, it's not a defence, just an observation that they've made the best out of a bad situation. |
"Defending" isn't the right word, you're right. I guess I was thinking more that it's being rationalized. I understand what you wrote though, blob. It is difficult to wrap my head around, truthfully. |
To be honest, I'm not too worried about the misplaced scene in my Anchor Bay DVD.I am, however, bothered about the censor cuts made by the BBFC to the film, I won't be picking up the Shameless BD release for this reason. |
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Who are you to bring this guy down because he wants all the gore intact? ITS AN EXPLOTATION FILM! You understand that?? Back in the day horror fans would go nuts trying to track down an uncut version to see the nasty fx, but now we should all evolve into better beings and watch cut versions of horror films for the amazing cinematography? I dont know what world you live in pal but its not the real one. The Shameless blu-ray is cut, the BU disc is not, its that simple! Its not a scene of a cat eating a mouse, its a cut to one of fulci's most well done and realistic gore effects. The shamesless disc may have its merits, it may be a worthwhile purchase for extras etc but dont start preaching morals at us because we want to see all the gore in a horror/expoitation film |
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Hardly a surprise. You say that my post was out of line but you seem to think that his insulting post was fine? That says it all |
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um....and his post was not an attack on the guy he replied to??? Right ok |
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um..well thats good because you said nothing of importance anyway. Good luck to everyone who is looking forward to buying the cut shameless new york blu for the artistic merit. just dont ask for gore on here though, cause they're better than that ;) |
I've just noticed the argument and I see that Lurkingfear is now listed as an ex-member on the forum. I assume that this means that he is banned for defending his right to express an opinion on the subject of The New York Ripper. Having read through some of the other pages on this thread, and being a fan of the movie, I find it very sad that one can be barred for expressing their views, especially when long term members will have seen similar insulting responses on others threads being allowed with no action taking. If Nosferatu believes that horrior fans will watch these films for artistic merits, will he be so blind to believe that horror fans will watch a horror film minus the horror that was oringinally in it, just for the sake of seeing someone else mess with the director's true vision? I will assume that I will be shown as an ex-member very soon. Lurkingfear RIP |
As I have said, there was a difference between saying that some one watches a film only for the gore and it's no wonder the bbfc cut films, and the way the ex-member personally insulted another member only to then respond by saying that someone else was saying nothing of importance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Personally I felt a bit attacked by the post about "only caring for gore", like I´m some kind of a wierdo getting off to the scene or something. But, I can take that. Just don´t think I watch these film only for the gore. I just want them to be intact, especially since the Fulci films are famous for these scenes. |
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and that is my point. Just because some of us prefer to see the movies intact doesn't give others the right to make attacking comments (such as "only caring for gore" in our direction and make us sound as though we are obsessed on the splatter). I admire the look. framing and the style of these classic movies. I simply don't appreciate reframing, rezooming and messing around with footage in any way other than the director intended. Vipco and Hardgore did that (granted they were mostly precut by distributors) - and look what happened to them! However, it appears that retalliation to any extent is frowned upon now. I guess that it is more acceptable to insult a large group of people rather than defending your views against one individual. This all seems a bit Animal Farm to me... all forum members are equal.. but some are more equal than others depending on their view! |
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What I did find strange was your tone as it seemed that you are only interested in the gore elements of films and if that is not the case, then good! I found the post from the ex-member to be personally insulting and that is why the moderators took the decision to ban him as we want this to be a friendly and welcoming place to talk about films, DVDs and BDs (plus all the accompanying merchandise). Posts that go out of their way to be deliberately insulting ("Who the hell do you think you are") will be dealt with severely as I'm sure you would like to be a member of a form that is as friendly as possible and not one that descends into a slanging match between members. |
What a great way to justify your insult, although the use of the word "good" in this instance comes over very saracastically. It makes me wonder whether I would have taken insult by it if I did only watch these films for the gore... i think that I would have. Oh well.. at least you proved the last line in my previous post was correct. Cheers for that! |
I assure you, the use of the word 'good' in my post was meant with all sincerity and I'm sorry you felt it was sarcastic. As for your Animal Farm reference, it doesn't matter who is insulted in a post as we take the position that an insult against one person is an insult against the entire forum so it wouldn't matter if the person insulted was a moderator, a long-standing member or someone who joined this week as the same action would have been taken. |
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Things can easily go out of hand in heated discussions at times and it´s easy to misunderstand or take things too serious in text form. I can be a bit picky with releases at times as I can easily detect compression artifacts, DNR or if the black levels are off in a transfer/disc etc. But I also know that some things can´t be 100 procent perfect at times depending on source etc. So even though I (sadly) am this picky about these things + cut footage, and might comment critically on things at times in the forums, I don´t mean to be nasty or being a prick. Well, let´s put this behind us. I hope this disc does well for Shameless so we can get some more sweet titles in yellow BD cases in a near future :) Cheers! |
Thanks for the post -- I'm glad we can put this behind us and look forward to the future of 'Yellow-ray'! |
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That's cool, and I respect that. Anyone who feels that they have been insulted is entitled to take the same action. But, as with the argument on BBFC-enforced cuts, there are two sides to every argument. I was not necessarily looking at it with regards to action being taken from the standpoint of the insulted... |
Following on from discussions going on here...I'll be buying NYR Blu though I would prefer if it was intact...as for the censorship discussions? I feel that members have been banned because mods are taking the whole personal attack thingy quite literally...the "you are only interested in the gore elements and not in the construction, direction or artistic merits of films at all", to me is by definition a personal attack AND condescending (sorry I have to agree with the now "excluded" member)...for them to reply with "Who the hell do you think you are?" is the same type of response & therefore fair game...on movie forums we can all get very heated in discussion about the movies we love...but respect has to be completely across the board...the "ex member" did not use offensive language like stupid bstrd, cnt or similar...he took a defensive stance as the post he was replying to was a "put down"...I get on with everyone on here (even people I have been irritated by & whom I have irritated!) but PLEASE take a step back & stop this illiberal attitude... & reinstate this member...let's get back to the passion of cinema (and with that PASSIONATE discussion!) :) |
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