SHAM001 - New York Ripper

[platostotal]

yep, it's just I hate finding a good flick like this and knowing it's pointless to steer peeps towards it,"too grim for me, switched it off", same applies to 'cannibal holocaust', no point whatsoever, trying to say "great, ahead of it's time acidic look at so called news channels.", even the chopped vipco version still gets short shrift from friends even today, remember showing anchor bay's 'suspiria' on vhs to college kids at a party, they thought it the best horror they'd ever seen, I felt great opening the door to Italian gold for em, tho they didn't rate 'profondo rosso' so high, sigh.

[Daemonia]

Originally Posted by platostotal

yep, it's just I hate finding a good flick like this and knowing it's pointless to steer peeps towards it,"too grim for me, switched it off", same applies to 'cannibal holocaust', no point whatsoever, trying to say "great, ahead of it's time acidic look at so called news channels.", even the chopped vipco version still gets short shrift from friends even today, remember showing anchor bay's 'suspiria' on vhs to college kids at a party, they thought it the best horror they'd ever seen, I felt great opening the door to Italian gold for em, tho they didn't rate 'profondo rosso' so high, sigh.

Too grim? You really think so in an age where people lap up all the gruesome carnage in stuff like the Saw franchise? I think most people would laugh off the rather primitive gore FX in this day and age.

Cannibal Holocaust is a different kettle of fish (or turtle?) altogether, as it employs real death and suffering in its production, which is always going to be grim viewing, no matter how dulled a viewer's senses might be.

So, personally, I do rate NYR quite high up in Fulci's body of work. As for Fulci being twisted, no more so than the likes of Eli Roth and the guys who made the aforementioned Saw series. And, actually, when it comes to a film's themes and content, isn't that more in the hands of the screenwriter rather than the director? After all, Fulci simply shot what the scriptwriter had written. It's the writer who comes up with these ideas rather than the director (unless the director also wrote the screenplay, of course). Of course, the director decides how those ideas are executed, but they're not his/her ideas in the first instance.

[platostotal]

good point, I find it hilarious that peeps have to be saved from an obviously fake shot in 'NYR' and then put their coats on and go see 'hostel 6' or whatever at the multiplex, and isn't the eyeball sequence worse than the edited frames that precede it, by 'grim' I meant that feeling you get when others into horror/slashers trash the flick after you bring it up, it's that invisible line of taste i guess, and I have to say i see the mark of Fulci all over 'NYR' both good and bad, love the daily grind of the cops, but must he zoom to extreme close up every time so much as drop of blood is spilt, the first murder for example, maybe shot thru back window of the car with blood flying and screams of victim instead of close up of knife into flesh, don't mind me second guessing Lucio, just more like 'Texas chainsaw' than 'hostel', don't know about you guys, but i often go "why didn't they shoot it this way or that" when i watch a scene like that in 'NYR'...and theirs still some idiot quacking at my door.

[Daemonia]

I can understand how Fulci's style might seem a bit dated now, but it's precisely because of this style that he is so loved for his films. I like Fulci's style, it's quite unlike modern films. I prefer Fulci's style over the hyper-editing that goes on in modern films wherein you can barely make out what's going on because it's been edited by someone overdosing on coke.

So, Fulci - you either take it or leave it, it is what it is, and I have no problem with his style whatsoever. You can't compare old fims with new, because filmmaking is radically different now to how it was back then. You can compare styles, as in how different they are, but you can use neither as a yardstick to gauge good or bad filmmaking. They're simply different.

[Beyond72]

Originally Posted by Daemonia

I can understand how Fulci's style might seem a bit dated now, but it's precisely because of this style that he is so loved for his films. I like Fulci's style, it's quite unlike modern films. I prefer Fulci's style over the hyper-editing that goes on in modern films wherein you can barely make out what's going on because it's been edited by someone overdosing on coke.

I vaguely recall a story about Fulci and a new cameraman, where Fulci flicked a coin on the floor and said place the camera there, it's not where you put the camera, but what you place in front of it.




I do hate the lazy way so many films these days use the shaky cam to try and make scenes more exciting.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Daemonia

Too grim? You really think so in an age where people lap up all the gruesome carnage in stuff like the Saw franchise? I think most people would laugh off the rather primitive gore FX in this day and age.

Cannibal Holocaust is a different kettle of fish (or turtle?) altogether, as it employs real death and suffering in its production, which is always going to be grim viewing, no matter how dulled a viewer's senses might be.

So, personally, I do rate NYR quite high up in Fulci's body of work. As for Fulci being twisted, no more so than the likes of Eli Roth and the guys who made the aforementioned Saw series. And, actually, when it comes to a film's themes and content, isn't that more in the hands of the screenwriter rather than the director? After all, Fulci simply shot what the scriptwriter had written. It's the writer who comes up with these ideas rather than the director (unless the director also wrote the screenplay, of course). Of course, the director decides how those ideas are executed, but they're not his/her ideas in the first instance.

Gianfranco Clerici was the screenwriter on both CH and NYR and also; HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK, LAST CANNIBAL WORLD and NAZI LOVE CAMP 27 - he was clearly a man with serious psychological problems!

[platostotal]

don't get me wrong, nothing better than couple of beers, popcorn and some Fulci discs, I really like and rate his style and instinct behind the camera, much better than the MTV torture porn that seems in high demand today, but on 'NYR' just seems to leave a bad after taste, or a feeling he could have done better, only other film of his I get that from is the Fulci/mattei 'Zombie3', hell I even like 'murder rock' and 'aenigma', I do like 'NYR' but I'm old enough to remember seeing 'flesheaters' at the local ABC cinema and being blown away and absolutely never missing any new flick by the Italian master, thought 'the beyond' was a joy on the big screen, pretty much uncut as I recall, so it's because I rate him so high, just like a painter or musician, if something seems slightly off, just kinda makes you go why did he do that?, loved to have met him and bought him a pint, and I WOULD tell him my thoughts on 'NYR', as well as heaping praise on him, hope he's looking down on us now, "they think I did good movies" damn right Lucio R.I.P.

[Peter Neal]

Today "schnittberichte.com" has dedicated one of their detailed looks on censorship cuts to the first "Shameless" release of "New York Ripper":

New York Ripper, Der - Schnittberichte.com (Zensur-News und Schnittberichte zu mehr als 7000 Filmen und Spielen)

Texts in German only, but I'd be surprised if this one didn't show up on "movie-censorship.com" soon...

[Sarah@Cult Labs]

FYI:

Due to the release of the New York Ripper Fan Edition (SHAM029 and SHAM200), Shameless have decided to let SHAM001 go OOP once it has sold out. There are very few copies left so if you want a copy to complete your spine builder, now would be the time to get one.

If, however, it's a choice between SHAM001 and SHAM029, remember that SHAM029 is mastered from a HD source and is a longer version of the film, so my advise would be to opt for that version.

Also, please remember that SHAM001 will still be available as part of Fulci's Box of Terror.

[Demoncrat]

Always felt he was fed up with the corner they had shoved him in, hence this rather 'shocking' film. I like it. It is not a manual for serial killers.