The Doctor Who Thread

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by MrBarlow

Doctor Who: Vengeance On Varos.

Like the previous episodes I was expecting the second part to be disappointing but it seemed to go a bit darker than normal with the story line which made it a bit more exciting, and seeing The Doctor a bit violent with two guards being pushed into acid.

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The controversial acid bath scene! Even to this day, people are convinced that it is The Doctor who pushes the two guards into the bath.

This is just not true!

At the start of the second episode, Peri has been brought to the control centre in the company of Sil and some other officers. They question her as she watches them bring the Doctor's body to an acid bath for disposal. But it turns out he is not dead. The Doctor suddenly stands up and walks over to the attendants while their backs are turned. The surprise makes the first attendant jump, pushing the second into the bath. A struggle ensues. The first attendant is pulled into the acid bath by the second attendant. The Doctor strolls out, saying, "You'll forgive me if I don't join you."

This picture clearly shows that the Doctor has his hands in his pockets when the first guard falls into the acid...

...while in this picture, you can clearly see that the guard who is already in the acid is pulling the second one in as well

[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #460

Name: Ian Collier (1943 - 2008)
Year(s): 1972 / 1983
Stories: The Time Monster episode 1 – The Time Monster episode 4, The Time Monster episode 6 / Arc Of Infinity part 1 – Arc Of Infinity part 4
Character(s): Stuart Hyde / The Renegade, Omega

Note:

• Appeared as Commissar Sallis in the 2002 Big Finish release 'Excelis Decays' from the Excelis Saga
• Appeared as the title character in the 2003 Big Finish release 'Omega'
• Appeared as Issac Summerfield III in the 2004 Big Finish release 'Death and the Daleks' from the Bernice Summerfield stories

Before Who:
Films: Hamlet (1969)
Television: None

After Who:
Films: The Next Man (1976), A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square (1979), Tangiers (1982), Hitler's S.S.: Portrait in Evil (1985), The Happy Valley (1986), Heritage Africa (1989)
Television: The Pathfinders: Operation Pickpocket (1973) / The Bellcrest Story [2 episodes as Jim Sherwood (1973)] / Bonny! [10 episodes as Mr. Black / Blackbeard (1974)] / Rentaghost (1976) / Dickens of London: Magic (1976) / Target: Carve Up (1977) / The Duchess of Duke Street: Ain't We Got Fun (1977) / The Sweeney: The Bigger They Are (1978) / Return of the Saint: The Armageddon Alternative (1978) / The Famous Five: Five Get Into a Fix (1978) / Tycoon: Hunter's Moon (1978) / Rebecca (1979) / Danger UXB: Dead Letter (1979) / Minder: A Tethered Goat (1979) / Fox: The Perfect Scapegoat Syndrome (1980) / Cribb: Abracadaver (1980) / Goodbye Darling: Lina (1981) / Winston Churchill - The Wilderness Years [3 episodes as Harold Macmillan (1981)] / Bognor: Just Desserts (1982) / Holding the Fort: A Place in the Sun (1982) / Hi-de-Hi!: It's a Blue World (1982) / Shades of Darkness: The Lady's Maid's Bell* (1983) / A Fine Romance: The Hotel (1983) / Bergerac: Ice Maiden (1983) / Play for Today: Young Shoulders (1984) / Emmerdale Farm [6 episodes as Melville (1984)] / Juliet Bravo: No Peace (1984) / Are You Being Served?: The Hold Up (1985) / The Detective [2 episodes as Bayker (1985)] / Hold the Back Page: Grass Roots (1985) / EastEnders (1985) / Howards' Way [2 episodes as George Travis (1986)] / C.A.T.S. Eyes: The Big Burn (1987) / Bust: Man of Property (1987) / The Charmer: Gorse the Imposter (1987) / Rockliffe's Babies: In Too Deep (1988) / Thin Air (1988) / Gentlemen and Players: Last Man In (1988) / Colin's Sandwich: Enough (1988) / Rules of Engagement [3 episodes as Colonel Lipscoombe (1989)] / Boon: Do Not Forsake Me (1989) / Poirot: The Adventure of the Western Star (1990) / All Creatures Great and Small: Old Dogs, New Tricks (1990) / House of Cards (1990) / The Bill: Delivery on Time (1991) / Keeping Up Appearances: What to Wear When Yachting (1992) / London's Burning (1992) / Jeeves and Wooster: Arrested in a Night Club (or, the Delayed Arrival) (1993)

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Haha! I like that. Using a photo of the Omega costume from the Doctor Who Experience rather than Omega on screen.

There aren't many decent images of that version of Omega, i've tried to find some in the past.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Captain Turner (Robert Sidaway), Zoe (Wendy Padbury) and Jamie (Frazer Hines) in a dramatic helicopter scene from The Invasion (1968)

[MrBarlow]

Originally Posted by Susan Foreman

The controversial acid bath scene! Even to this day, people are convinced that it is The Doctor who pushes the two guards into the bath.

This is just not true!

At the start of the second episode, Peri has been brought to the control centre in the company of Sil and some other officers. They question her as she watches them bring the Doctor's body to an acid bath for disposal. But it turns out he is not dead. The Doctor suddenly stands up and walks over to the attendants while their backs are turned. The surprise makes the first attendant jump, pushing the second into the bath. A struggle ensues. The first attendant is pulled into the acid bath by the second attendant. The Doctor strolls out, saying, "You'll forgive me if I don't join you."

This picture clearly shows that the Doctor has his hands in his pockets when the first guard falls into the acid...

...while in this picture, you can clearly see that the guard who is already in the acid is pulling the second one in as well

You are right Susan, I re-watched it and clearly The Doctor is using the table to shield himself while the other guard pulls him in to the acid, apologies to all for the comment about The Doctor being a killer...my bad.

[trebor8273]

Originally Posted by MrBarlow

You are right Susan, I re-watched it and clearly The Doctor is using the table to shield himself while the other guard pulls him in to the acid, apologies to all for the comment about The Doctor being a killer...my bad.

But he is a killer, probably killed millions of different aliens if you count cybermen and Daleks and the war doctor has killed billions.

Ok a lot he didn't kill directly but was complacent in the killings

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by trebor8273

But he is a killer, probably killed thousands of different aliens if you count cybermen and Daleks and the war doctor has killed billions.

Ok a lot he didn't kill directly but was complacent in the killings

A lot he did kill too.

See mild mannered Peter Davison actually put a gun to a Cyberman's chest to make sure he doesn't miss and then Colin Baker rolling around like Bruce Willis killing Cybermen for fun.

So no need to apologise one bit MrB. it certainly appears when you watch it first time that the Doctor pushes them into the acid bath. Don't let Susan put you off posting here.

[MrBarlow]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

A lot he did kill too.

See mild mannered Peter Davison actually put a gun to a Cyberman's chest to make sure he doesn't miss and then Colin Baker rolling around like Bruce Willis killing Cybermen for fun.

So no need to apologise one bit MrB. it certainly appears when you watch it first time that the Doctor pushes them into the acid bath. Don't let Susan put you off posting here.

No harm done Dem, we are all still good here

[MrBarlow]

Doctor Who: The Two Doctors.

The Time Lords have dispatched the second Doctor and his companion Jamie to a space station to dissuade a scientist from conduction experiments on time travel. The 6th Doctor and his companion Peri are on holiday when he passes out and his existence may be jeopardized.

This is the first time seeing a Doctor Who season with two different Doctors at the helm, and seeing them act is brilliant, Colin and Patrick bring their own persona the the character and almost bickering while thinking the same thing was a laugh. It does make a change for the story and scenery that is usually Britain falls under enemy hands to the sunny side of Spain which made it stand out more.

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[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #461

Name: Neville Barber (1931 - 2002)
Year(s): 1972
Stories: The Time Monster episode 1 – The Time Monster episode 2
Character(s): Dr Humphrey Cook
Note: Appeared as Howard Baker in the 1981 'Doctor Who' spin-off story 'K-9 and Company: A Girl's Best Friend'

Before Who:
Films: Bartleby* (1970), The Yes Girls (1971)

Television: Queen's Champion [4 episodes as Courtier (1958)] / The Pocket Lancer: The Runaway (1959) / The Long Way Home: The Tunnel (1960) / Coronation Street (1961) / Bonehead: Monkey Business (1961) / BBC Sunday-Night Play: Black Limelight (1962) / Z Cars [4 episodes, different characters (1962-1974)] / The Indian Tales of Rudyard Kipling: Consequences (1964) / The Flying Swan [3 episodes as A Waiter (1965)] / Crossroads [8 episodes as Sergeant Glover (1965)] / Orlando: Victory in Sight (1966) / The New Forest Rustlers [4 episodes as Pierre (1966)] / Danger Island [6 episodes as Major Herve de Sang (1967)] / Dixon of Dock Green: Zandra (1967) / Mystery Hall [4 episodes as Constable Jeffrys (1967)] / Vanity Fair: The Famous Little Becky Puppet (1967) / Strange Report: Kidnap - Whose Pretty Girl Are You? (1969) / Jason King: Toki (1972) / The Lotus Eaters: And Hera Had a Sister (1972)

After Who:
Films: Double Take (1972), The Sex Thief (1973), Adventures of a Plumber's Mate (1978), Henry IV Part I (1979), Murphy's Stroke (1980), Ghost in the Water (1982), Star Quality (1985), The Bell-Run (1988)
Television: Scoop: The Complete Traveller (1972) / The Pathfinders: Our Daffodils Are Better Than Your Daffodils (1972) / The Onedin Line: Bloody Week (1972) / The Edwardians: Daisy (1973) / The Tomorrow People: The Slaves of Jedikiah (1973) / A Picture of Katherine Mansfield: Life Is the Only Cure for Life (1973) / Two Women (1973) / The Dragon's Opponent: The Drawn Sword (1973) / Armchair Theatre: The Golden Road (1973) / Orson Welles' Great Mysteries: The Inspiration of Mr. Budd (1973) / The Protectors: Shadbolt* (1974) / Special Branch: Catherine the Great (1974) / Fall of Eagles: Indian Summer of an Emperor (1974) / Dial M for Murder: If You Knew Susie (1974) / Upstairs, Downstairs: Women Shall Not Weep (1974) / Microbes and Men: Certain Death (1974) / Churchill's People: The Conquerors (1975) / Six Days of Justice: The Brief Facts (1975) / The Prince and the Pauper (1976) / Happy Ever After: The Novel (1976) / Second Verdict: Who Burned the Reichstag? (1976) / Bill Brand: Tranquillity of the Realm (1976) / Shadows: Time Out of Mind (1976) / Killers: The Crumbles Murder (1976) / The Duchess of Duke Street: The Bargain (1976) / Sykes: Home Movies (1976) / Holding On (1977) / Secret Army: Sergeant on the Run (1977) / BBC2 Play of the Week: Exiles (1977) / The Upchat Line: Albert's Benefit (1977) / London Belongs to Me (1977) / Anna Karenina [2 episodes as Sergei (1977)] / The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin: Extreme Solution (1977) / Armchair Thriller: A Dog's Ransom (1978) / Whodunnit?: A Safe Way to Die (1978) / Rosie: Wilmot and an Even Worse Case of Big Cyril's Second Wife (1978) / Target: Fringe Banking (1978) / The Lost Boys: An Awfully Big Adventure (1978) / The Professionals: Man Without a Past (1978) / The Voyage of Charles Darwin: Can Any Mountains, Any Continent, Withstand Such Waste? (1978) / Lillie: Fifty Cents a Dance (1978) / Thomas and Sarah: There Is a Happy Land (1979) / The Dawson Watch [4 episodes (1980-1980)] / The Other One (1979) / Bloomers (1979) / Angels [3 episodes as DS Hall (1979)] / BBC2 Playhouse: The Enigma (1980) / A Question of Guilt [2 episodes as Dr. Stevenson (1980)] / Escape: The Cartland Murder (1980) / Butterflies: Parting (1980) / Grange Hill [7 episodes as Mr. Curtis (1980-1981)] / Nanny: Innocent Party (1981) / Love Story - A Chance to Sit Down [2 episodes as Hugh Firbank (1981)] / Play for Today: London Is Drowning (1981) / A Fine Romance: The Restaurant (1981) / Terry and June: Snookered (1982) / The Gentle Touch: One of Those Days (1982) / Whoops Apocalypse: Lucifer and the Lord (1982) / We'll Meet Again: Old Enough to Fight (1982) / All for Love: L'Elegance (1982) / Shine on Harvey Moon: The Party Line (1982) / The World About Us: The Forgotten Voyage (1982) / Number 10 [2 episodes as King George V (1983)] / Potter (1983) / Bergerac: Ninety Per Cent Proof (1983) / Brookside (1984) / Now and Then (1984) / Roll Over Beethoven (1985) / Edge of Darkness: Burden of Proof (1985) / Paradise Postponed [2 episodes as Major Luxtor (1986)] / Rumpole of the Bailey: Rumpole's Last Case (1987) / Omnibus: Van Gogh (1990) / Then Churchill Said to Me: Those Who Loot We Shoot (1993) / Cardiac Arrest: The Killing Season (1994)