The Doctor Who Thread

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs

Sorry, but that's bullshit. He's quite clearly blamimg males commiting crimes on the only people to look up to as violent criminals because women are replacing male characters (fictional ****ing characters) with females.

Sorry (not really), but I think it's disgusting thet anyone would agree witt him.

I haven't read the article gag posted but i have seen other write ups on it. I agree with everything IanK said.

[Stephen@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

I haven't read the article gag posted but i have seen other write ups on it. I agree with everything IanK said.

So have you actaully listened to what the guy said?

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs

So have you actaully listened to what the guy said?

All the crime stuff was stupid but he does have a point about males losing their fictionalized role models in order to make them female.

Women need positive role models in real life and fiction just as men do but the best way to go about it is to create new characters, new heroes, not gender swap ones we know and love purely because it's easier.

[will graham]

I heard it all. He was suggesting that having less good male heroes and them becoming female is making males rely on criminal characters in the lies of pinky blinders which will cause them to turn to violence.

The real dumb thing is he included bond, which has been repeatedly stated by the owners will always stay as a guy. Also theres still loads of male fictional characters so wtf at his comments. But really does anyone really think that this is causing young men to turn to violence?
Do u think that showing your dogs horror movies makes them dangerous?

It's a shame as he did raise some important questions about mens mental health but then he says this crap. No matter how I heard it, it just sounded like dumbass paranoia.
And no I dont think most male characters should change gender.

[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #598

Name: Derek Martin [1933 - ]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: Image Of The Fendahl part 1 – Image Of The Fendahl part 2
Character(s): David Mitchell

Note:

• Was a member of the HAVOC stunt team
• Appeared in a number of uncredited roles in the show: The Romans (as part of the rabble) / The Massacre (as a Parisian) / The Highlanders (as an English Sailor and a Scotsman) / The Web of Fear (as an Army Soldier) / The Ambassadors of Death (as a heavy) / Inferno (as a UNIT Soldier) / The Mind of Evil (as a Prisoner) / 'The Claws of Axos (as a UNIT Soldier)

Before Who:
Films: The Evil of Frankenstein* (1964), Hysteria (1965), Secrets of a Windmill Girl (1966), The Big Switch (1968), Subterfuge (1968), The Roses of Eyam (1973), Sex Thief (1973), Keep It Up, Jack (1974), Eskimo Nell (1975), The Girl from Starship Venus (1975), Diversions (1976)

Television: Moonstrike: The Bells Are Silent (1963) / BBC Sunday-Night Play: Two by the Sea #2 - Wedding Bells (1963) / Maigret: The Log of the Cap Fagnet (1963) / Rupert of Hentzau: The Wheel of Chance (1964) / Lance at Large (1964) / It's a Square World [11 episodes, various characters Various Characters (1964)] / No Hiding Place: The Grass (1965) / Londoners: Common Ground (1965) / Out of the Unknown: The Counterfeit Man (1965) / Two of a Kind (1966) / A Game of Murder (1966) / Comedy Playhouse: Judgement Day for Elijah Jones (1966) / Thirteen Against Fate: Trapped (1966) / Blackmail: The Sound of Distant Guns (1966) / Softly Softly [3 episodes, different characters (1966-1969)] / Adam Adamant Lives! [3 episodes, different characters (1966-1967)] / Theatre 625: The Loser (1967) / Z Cars [3 episodes, different characters (1967-1969)] / Mickey Dunne: My Pal Fred (1967) / The Big M (1967) / The Borderers [4 episodes, different characters (1969)] / The First Churchills: A Famous Victory (1969) / Jackanory: Stories about Railways [5 episodes as the man (1970)] / Paul Temple [6 episodes as Paddy (1970-1971)] / Jackanory:The Haunted Mine [5 episodes as the stranger (1970)] / Elizabeth R; Sweet England's Pride (1971) / The Troubleshooters: Weekends Are for Taking Off (1971) / Mandog [4 episodes as Gala One (1972)] / The Regiment: A Gentleman from Europe (1972) / The Brothers: Full Circle (1972) / New Scotland Yard: A Gathering of Dust (1972) / Spy Trap [5 episodes as Brown (1972)] / Fish: I Am Going to Keep Her... (1973) / Six Days of Justice: A Clear-Cut Case (1973) / The Adventures of Black Beauty: Goodbye Beauty (1974) / The Zoo Gang: Revenge - Post Dated (1974) / Softly Softly: Task Force: Worth a Million (1974) / Dixon of Dock Green: It's a Gift (1975) / You're on Your Own: No One Wants Any Trouble (1975) / Doctor on the Go: When a Body Meets a Body (1975) / Upstairs, Downstairs: A Place in the World (1975) / The Melting Pot (1976) / Holding on (1977) / Survivors: The Peacemaker (1977) / Maidens' Trip: Maggie (1977) / Just William: William's Lucky Day (1977) / The Duchess of Duke Street: Tea and a Wad (1977)

After Who:
Films: Candleshoe (1977), Adventures of a Plumber's Mate (1978), The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu (1980), Priest of Love (1981), Ragtime (1981), Spaghetti House (1982), The Aerodrome (1983), The Hope and the Glory (1984), Boston Kickout (1995)
Television: Law & Order [3 episodes as D.I. Fred Pyall (1978)] / The Sweeney: Messenger of the Gods (1978) / Target: Fringe Banking (1978) / The Professionals: Not a Very Civil Civil Servant (1978) / BBC2 Play of the Week: Another Day (1978) / It Ain't Half Hot Mum: Caught Short (1978) / Potter (1979) / Maggie and Her: The Good Old Days (1979) / ITV Playhouse: Print Out (1979) / Angels [4 episodes as Mr. Smith (1979-1983)] / The Enigma Files: Repeat After Me (1980) / The Gentle Touch: Hammer (1980) / Premiere: Rifleman (1980) / Shoestring: Utmost Good Faith (1980) / Play for Today: Number on End (1980) / Agony: Lucas v Lucas (1981) / Private Schulz (1981) / The Chinese Detective [14 episodes as Detective Chief Inspector Berwick (1981-1982)] / World's End [2 episodes as Daley (1981)] / BBC2 Playhouse: Jake's End (1982) / Pig in the Middle [3 episodes as Roger Boocock (1983)] / Hart to Hart: Two Harts Are Better Than One (1983) / Give us a Break: A Flagpole Painter from Liverpool (1983) / Terry and June: One Little Pig (1983) / Murder Not Proven?: Open Season (1984) / Minder: The Long Ride Back to Scratchwood (1984) / Big Deal: One Good Turnover (1984) / The Pickwick Papers (1985) / The Bright Side [5 episodes as Mr. Royal (1985)] / Storyboard: King & Castle (1985) / Dempsey and Makepeace: Blood Money (1985) / King & Castle [12 episodes as Ronald King (1986-1988)] / Screen One: The Police (1990) / Fiddlers Three: Detective Story (1991) / True Crimes: Twist in the Tale (1992) / Eldorado [40 episodes as Alex Morris (1993)] / Only Fools and Horses: Fatal Extraction (1993) / The Governor [8 episodes as Gary Marshall (1995-1996)] / The Bill: Bad Debt (1997) / The Detectives: Best Man (1997) / EastEnders [793 episodes as Charlie Slater (2000-2016)] / Little Britain (2005)

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Amy (Karen Gillan) and the Doctor (Matt Smith) at the TARDIS controls in The Beast Below (2010)

[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #599

Name: Daphne Heard [1904 - 1983]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: Image Of The Fendahl part 1 – Image Of The Fendahl part 4
Character(s): Martha Tyler

Before Who:
Films: Yellow Sands (1948), Miranda (1949), The Castiglioni Brothers (1958), Rest You Merry (1958), The True Mistery of the Passion (1960), The Witness (1966), Macbeth (1966), Goodbye Gemini (1970), Three Sisters (1970), The Emergence of Anthony Purdy, Esq., Farmer's Labourer (1970), Thick as Thieves (1971), Please Sir!* (1971), Horace (1972), The Triple Echo* (1972),

Television: Lorna Doone [7 episodes as Betty Muxworthy (1963)] / Compact [2 episodes as Mrs. Metcalfe (1963)] / Story Parade: The Bender (1964) / The Children of the New Forest: The King's Messenger (1964) / Z Cars [3 episodes, different characters (1964-1971)] / Dr. Finlay's Casebook [3 episodes, different characters (1964-1968)] / Thursday Theatre: The Cure for Love (1964) / Esther Waters [4 episodes as Mrs. Latch (1964)] / The Walrus and the Carpenter: Luther Flannery Revisited (1965) / Undermind: Death in England (1965) / Poison Island [3 episodes as Mrs. Stimcoe (1965)] / Thirteen Against Fate: The Witness (1966) / The Woman in White [3 episodes as Madame Fosco (1966)] / Blackmail: Vacant Possession (1966) / ITV Play of the Week: The Investigation (1967) / Sanctuary: The Undefeated (1967) / Boy Meets Girl: The Raging Moon (1967) / Hobson's Choice: How to Rule a Father and Hook a Husband (1967) / Softly Softly [2 episodes, diferent characters (1967)] / Inheritance [2 episodes as Janie Mellor (1967)] / Public Eye: The Bromsgrove Venus (1968) / Nicholas Nickleby [2 episodes as Peg Sliderskew (1968)] / Mr. Rose: The Heralds of Death (1968) / City '68: The System: Pennywise (1968) / The Wednesday Play: A Night with Mrs. Da Tanka (1968) / Nearest and Dearest: The Wrong Side of the Sheets (1968) / Wild, Wild Women [6 episodes as Ginny (1969)] / Big Breadwinner Hog [2 episodes as Mrs. Lennox (1969)] / Rogues' Gallery: A Bed-Full of Miracles (1969) / The Expert: Eddie (1969) / The First Churchills [3 episodes as Mrs. Jennings (1969)] / Ace of Wands: One and One and One Are Four (1970) / ITV Sunday Night Theatre: Big Soft Nellie (1971) / Jude the Obscure [5 episodes as Drusilla Fawley (1971)] / For the Love of Ada: The Royalist (1971) / Thirty-Minute Theatre: Footprints (1971) / Owen, M.D.: The Kingfisher (1971) / Suspicion: Reasonable Doubt (1972) / The Fenn Street Gang: Who's Minding the Shop? (1972) / Spyder's Web: Lies and Dolls (1972) / Pretenders [2 episodes as Carritty (1972)] / Upstairs, Downstairs: Out of the Everywhere (1972) / Cranford [3 episodes as Mrs. Fitz-Adam (1972)] / Country Matters: The Higgler (1973) / Arthur of the Britons: The Wood People (1973) / Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads?: End of an Era (1973) / The Jensen Code [9 episodes as Granny Powell (1973)] / Orson Welles' Great Mysteries: Captain Rogers (1973) / The Kids from 47A: The Big Break Up (1974) / John Halifax, Gentleman [2 episodes as Jael (1974)] / Oh No, It's Selwyn Froggitt: Pilot - Oh No, It's Selwyn Froggitt (1974) / BBC Play of the Month: The Wood Demon (1974) / Churchill's People: King Alfred (1975) / Wodehouse Playhouse: Portrait of a Disciplinarian (1975) / Village Hall: Lot 23 (1975) / Comedy Playhouse: Captive Audience (1975) / Plays for Britain: The Paradise Run (1976) / Westway [5 episodes as Miss. Marlbury (1976)] / Angels: My Patient (1976) / Within These Walls: A Sentence of Death (1976) / Murder Most English -A Flaxborough Chronicle: The Flaxborough Crab (1977) / Marie Curie (1977) / The Upchat Line: Home Is the Hunter (1977)

After Who:
Films: None
Television: Don't Forget to Write! [11 episodes as Mrs. Field (1977-1979)] / Hazell: Hazell Plays Solomon (1978) / Crown Court: Still Life with Feathers (1978) / Coronation Street (1978) / To the Manor Born [17 episodes as Mrs. Polouvicka (1979-1981)] / Late Night Drama: Our Little Town - The Stranger's Gift (1980) / Nanny: Trompe L'Oeil (1981) / John Keats: Climb with Me the Steep (1981) / Play for Today: A Cotswold Death (1982) / Horace [6 episodes as Mrs. Tiddy (1982)]

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

The Master (Roger Delgado) summons the Daemon Azal in the classic 1971 story The Daemons.

[Susan Foreman]

Guest actors appearing in THE SUN MAKERS who have previously appeared in the show:

• Louise Jameson (Leela)
• John Leeson (Voice of K-9)
• Tom Kelly (Guard)

Who: Before And After #600

Name: Richard Leech [1922 - 2004]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Sun Makers part 1 – The Sun Makers part 4
Character(s): Gatherer Hade

Before Who:
Films: The Temptress (1949), The World of Light (1950), The Cruel Sea (1953), Tygers Hart (1954), Misalliance (1954), Lease of Life (1954), Children Galore (1955), The Prisoner (1955), The Dam Busters* (1955), The Gentle Touch (1956), The Infinite Shoeblack (1956), It's Never Too Late (1956), The Third Key (1956), The Iron Petticoat (1956), The Good Companions (1957), Time Without Pity (1957), Battle Hell (1957), Dangerous Youth (1957), The Birthday Present (1957), Night of the Demon* [as Inspector Mottram] (1957), Gideon of Scotland Yard (1958), Charles and Mary (1958), The Moonraker (1958), The Wind Cannot Read (1958), Ice Cold in Alex (1958), A Night to Remember (1958), The Horse's Mouth (1958), Dublin Nightmare (1958), A Lady Mislaid (1958), Tunes of Glory (1960), The Terror of the Tongs (1961), A Schoolboy's Hero (1961), I Thank a Fool (1962), The Double Blind (1962), Young and Willing (1962), The War Lover (1962), The Cracksman (1963), The Flood (1963), Walk a Tightrope (1964), Life at the Top (1965), The Fighting Prince of Donegal (1966), The Railway Children [Voice only] (1970), Young Winston (1972), Ego Hugo (1973), Occupations (1974), The Gathering Storm (1964), Got It Made (1974)

Television: Rheingold Theatre: The Patriarch (1955) / London Playhouse: Fighting Chance (1955) / ITV Television Playhouse: Morning Departure (1956) / The Adventures of Sir Lancelot: Lady Lilith (1957) / Sword of Freedom: Chart of Gold (1957) / Television Playwright: The House Opposite (1958) / Our Mutual Friend [9 episodes as 'Rogue' Riderhood (1958-1959)] / BBC Sunday-Night Theatre: The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial (1958) / BBC Sunday-Night Theatre: The Gentle Goddess (1959) / The Flying Doctor: Reprieve (1959) / Suspense; Decision at Nine (1960) / About Religion: The News on Good Friday (1960) / Interpol Calling [3 episodes, different characters (1960)] / The Third Man: The Widow Who Wasn't (1960) / Paul of Tarsus [3 episodes as James of Nazareth (1960)] / One Step Beyond: The Avengers (1961) / Ghost Squad: The Broken Doll* (1961) / The Pursuers: The Contract (1961) / The Avengers: Traitor in Zebra (1962) / Suspense: Virus X (1962) / Zero One: Glidepath (1962) / Z Cars [3 episodes, different characters (1962-1967)] / Man of the World: A Family Affair (1962) / The Edgar Wallace Mystery Theatre: Ricochet (1963) / The Human Jungle: A Friend of the Sergeant Major (1963) / The Avengers: Dressed to Kill (1963) / Jane Eyre [6 episodes as Mr. Rochester (1963)] / No Hiding Place: Pillar to Post (1963) / Dange Man: The Affair at Castelevara (1965) / Dixon of Dock Green: All Clear (1965) / Court Martial: Vengeance Is Mine (1965) / David Copperfield [4 episodes as Mr. Murdstone (1966)] / Public Eye [2 episodes, different characters (1966-1972)] / Redcap: The Proper Charlie (1966) / North and South [5 episodes as John Thornton (1966)] / The Saint: The Persistent Patriots (1967) / ITV Play of the Week: The Investigation (1967) / BBC Play of the Month: The Cabinet Papers (1967) / The Avengers: Mission... Highly Improbable* (1967) / A Man of our Times: The Two Legged Chameleon (1968) / Half Hour Story: Do You Play Requests? (1968) / Armchair Theatre: One Night I Danced with Mr. Dalton (1968) / The Devil in the Fog [5 episodes as Sir John Dexter (1968)] / Gazette: Exposure (1968) / The Very Merry Widow: Anything Legal Considered (1968) / The Gold Robbers [7 episodes as Richard Bolt (1969)] / The Doctors [123 episodes as Dr. Roger Hayman (1969-1971)] / ITV Sunday Night Theatre; Twelfth Night (1970) / A Family at War: Flesh and Blood (1971) / Six Faces: Around the Child (1972) / The View from Daniel Pike: Credit Where It's Due (1973) / Special Branch [3 episodes as Knight (1973)] / Spy Trap: Areas of Guilt (1973) / Crown Court: Credibility Gap (1973) / Crown Court: Tables of the Heart (1973) / Seven Faces of Woman: Choice (1974) / Dial M for Murder: Both Hands Free (1974) / Late Night Drama: Handle with Care: Anna (1974) / The Fight Against Slavery: A Grateful Peasantry (1975) / Edward the King: The Royal Quadrille (1975) / Village Hall: Battleground (1975) / Warship: They Also Serve (1976) / Bill Brand [3 episodes as Waverley (1976)] / Dickens of London [2 episodes as Mr. Hogarth (1976)] / The New Avengers: Faces (1976) / The Duchess of Duke Street: A Test of Love (1976) / Rooms [6 episodes as Arthur Hatchett (1977)] / Play for Today: A Choice of Evils (1977)

After Who:
Films: The Mirror Crack'd* (1980), Gandhi (1982), Champions (1984), The Shooting Party (1984), Florence Nightingale (1985), A Handful of Dust (1988)

Television: BBC2 Playhouse: The Unborn (1980) / The Enigma Files: Repeat After Me (1980) / I Remember Nelson: Duty (1982) / Smiley's People (1982) / The Barchester Chronicles [2 episodes as Wilfred Thorne (1982)] / The Nation's Health [3 episodes as Doctor Smith-Sampson (1983)] / Lytton's Diary: Rules of Engagement (1986) / The Houseman's Tale (1987)

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

3.82m watched last night's episode. An upturn thanks to last weeks semi decent Weeping Angels story.