The Doctor Who Thread

[Make Them Die Slowly]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

Wow!

Wonder if you could do that with all Al Adamson's films?

Might be the best way to watch them.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly

Might be the best way to watch them.

We are definitely on the same wave length here.

[Bringer Of Funerals]

Can't wait for Peter Capaldi - did you hear about girl fans not wanting to watch it because he's not a young sexy Who, what were they expecting it to be? DR WHO - THE TWILIGHT SEXY MEN edition

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by Bringer Of Funerals

did you hear about girl fans not wanting to watch it because he's not a young sexy Who

*cough* One of the problems that I have with Nu-Who. The Doctor should be alien and asexual, not some pin-up, who is happy to kiss his companions and fall in love at every given opportunity *cough*

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

*cough* One of the problems that I have with Nu-Who. The Doctor should be alien and asexual, not some pin-up, who is happy to kiss his companions and fall in love at every given opportunity *cough*

That however is what draws in modern audiences. The will they won't they factor. In a way that's how the X-Files lasted ten series.

That's also a problem i actually have with the classic stuff. Look at Jamie, a battle hardened highlander, don't tell me he never ravaged Victoria in the TARDIS broom cupboard once or twice.

Exactly how many times has the Doctor fallen in love at any opportunity? He clearly loved Rose and Madame de Pompadour (Who wouldn't) but that's it. Sure Smith got married to save the world but no one really knows who Riversong actually is. That series was also the worst series of modern Who not withstanding a few excellent episodes.

Finally if Time Lords are asexual please explain Susan.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Threads merged.

[Susan Foreman]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

*cough* One of the problems that I have with Nu-Who. The Doctor should be alien and asexual, not some pin-up, who is happy to kiss his companions and fall in love at every given opportunity *cough*

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

Finally if Time Lords are asexual please explain Susan.

OK

Lets look at the facts as presented in the history of the show.

When we first met the Doctor, he was travelling with Susan, his Grandaughter.

There are three theories that have been put forward here:

i) Everything is as it is stated. Susan in actually a Time Lady, and the Doctor's Grandaughter. There is a lot of information to make this true. We were told that when the Doctor first 'borrowed' his TARDIS, and left Gallifrey, he didn't return until the events that were decpicted in the War Games. Therefore Susan must have been travelling with him from the beginning, because she she knows that Gallifrey has a burnt orange sky, which she would never have seen if she had not been there. It is also stated that it was her who coined the name 'TARDIS'. Seeing as this has been adopted all over Gallifrey, and it is not just a nickname that the Doctor uses for his machine, I think it is safe to assume that Susan is, indeed, a Time Lady

ii) 'Grandfather' is a term of respect that young Time Tots have for their elders. However, this is unlikely because it is never heard again during any of the subsequent Gallifrey stories

iii) It has been suggested that Susan is, infact, a companion from an untelevised adventure. Because she was a frightened young girl, the Doctor suggested that she called him 'Grandfather' to make her feel more comfortable. If this is a fact, tho, why did he not ask Vicki and Dodo, two other young female companions to call him Grandfather?

HOWEVER...if she is a young Time Lord, why does the Doctor act the way he does at the end of 'The Dalek Invasion of Earth', when he leaves her on our planet with her boyfriend, David Campbell. Presumably Susan's life expectency would be the same as the Doctor's, and potentially she could live for hundreds, and possibly thousands of years. In this respect, it seems a tad callous of the Doctor to leave her with a human, whose life expectence would be a fraction of hers, knowing that she would be doomed to watch him grow old and die, while she remained young

It's possible that the new and missing adventure novels explain things better, but (hanging my head in shame) I have only read a few of them, so I cannot comment. However, if we are going to bring them into the equation, we will also have to bring in Frobisher, the shape-shifting Penguin, and I for one don't want to do that!

[Demoncrat]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

That however is what draws in modern audiences. The will they won't they factor. In a way that's how the X-Files lasted ten series.

That's also a problem i actually have with the classic stuff. Look at Jamie, a battle hardened highlander, don't tell me he never ravaged Victoria in the TARDIS broom cupboard once or twice.

Exactly how many times has the Doctor fallen in love at any opportunity? He clearly loved Rose and Madame de Pompadour (Who wouldn't) but that's it. Sure Smith got married to save the world but no one really knows who Riversong actually is. That series was also the worst series of modern Who not withstanding a few excellent episodes.

Finally if Time Lords are asexual please explain Susan.

Cough see also The Avengers......

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by suziginajackson

OK

Lets look at the facts as presented in the history of the show.

When we first met the Doctor, he was travelling with Susan, his Grandaughter.

There are three theories that have been put forward here:

i) Everything is as it is stated. Susan in actually a Time Lady, and the Doctor's Grandaughter. There is a lot of information to make this true. We were told that when the Doctor first 'borrowed' his TARDIS, and left Gallifrey, he didn't return until the events that were decpicted in the War Games. Therefore Susan must have been travelling with him from the beginning, because she she knows that Gallifrey has a burnt orange sky, which she would never have seen if she had not been there. It is also stated that it was her who coined the name 'TARDIS'. Seeing as this has been adopted all over Gallifrey, and it is not just a nickname that the Doctor uses for his machine, I think it is safe to assume that Susan is, indeed, a Time Lady

ii) 'Grandfather' is a term of respect that young Time Tots have for their elders. However, this is unlikely because it is never heard again during any of the subsequent Gallifrey stories

iii) It has been suggested that Susan is, infact, a companion from an untelevised adventure. Because she was a frightened young girl, the Doctor suggested that she called him 'Grandfather' to make her feel more comfortable. If this is a fact, tho, why did he not ask Vicki and Dodo, two other young female companions to call him Grandfather?

HOWEVER...if she is a young Time Lord, why does the Doctor act the way he does at the end of 'The Dalek Invasion of Earth', when he leaves her on our planet with her boyfriend, David Campbell. Presumably Susan's life expectency would be the same as the Doctor's, and potentially she could live for hundreds, and possibly thousands of years. In this respect, it seems a tad callous of the Doctor to leave her with a human, whose life expectence would be a fraction of hers, knowing that she would be doomed to watch him grow old and die, while she remained young

It's possible that the new and missing adventure novels explain things better, but (hanging my head in shame) I have only read a few of them, so I cannot comment. However, if we are going to bring them into the equation, we will also have to bring in Frobisher, the shape-shifting Penguin, and I for one don't want to do that!

If Big Finish is now truly part of the canon then Susan is a Timelord as she pops up in various series from them on Gallifrey. As for the asexual thing then David must have been frustrated for the remainder of his life.

[Susan Foreman]

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Um...why not wait until the complete box set is released, later in the year?