The Doctor Who Thread

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by trebor8273

that is dire, its going to take a miracle for the show to survive, just think too much damage has been done by chris chibnall and the BBC agenda no what they do next season

just proves most people are sick of woke agenda, you can tell a good story with a message/agenda without the being beating around the head with terrible writing as classic who has showing

Trebor, my amazing intergalactic puppy. You are very nearly right, and some observational skills have been applied. Davies will continue on where CC left off. We'll see some better writing, and some more interesting twists and turns, but nothing in the grand scheme of Russell T. Davies will change. For me, and others to accept Dr Who back into the fold, you need to destroy the Cookoo in the nest. That shall never happen. Too much has been invested in with the agenda driven woke Who for the BBC to turn it's back on.

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Demdike@Cult Labs

A mere 339k viewers watched the opening episode on BBC America.

That's a third of what Capaldi achieved for the first episode of series 10, his final series.

That's woeful and no amount of spin can suggest otherwise.

I'm not surprised. No one in the States hardly watches BBC America. The only good news. The Americans see flipping sense.

[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #577

Name: Brian Croucher [1942 - ]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Robots Of Death part 1 – The Robots Of Death part 2
Character(s): Borg

Note:

• Would later played Kurt in the 1994 Reeltime Pictures spin-off video Shakedown: Return of the Sontarans*
• Played Cotton in the Magic Bullet 'Kaldor City' audio plays Occam's Razor' / 'Death's Head' / 'Hidden Persuaders' / Taren Capel' / 'Checkmate'

Before Who:
Films: Danger Point (1971), Burke & Hare* (1972), Made (1972), O Lucky Man! (1973)

Television: Crossroads (1964) / The Jazz Age: Post Mortem (1968) / Public Eye: Paid in Full* (1969) / Softly Softly: Task Force [3 episodes, different characters (1969-1975)] / The Ten Commandments: Be Lucky (1971) / Callan: The Richmond File - Call Me Enemy (1972) / Six Days of Justice: Open House (1972) / Villains: Grass (1972) / Dixon of Dock Green: The Fingerman (1972) / Cranford [3 episodes as Jem Hearn (1972)] / The Jensen Code [13 episodes as Gordon (1973)] / Play for Today: Baby Blues (1973) / General Hospital [2 episodes as Ralph Keeton (1974)] / Father Brown: The Man with Two Beards (1974) / The Hanged Man: Wheel of Fortune (1975) / The New Avengers: Dirtier by the Dozen* (1976)

After Who:
Films: A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square (1979), The Deadly Game* (1982), Scrubbers (1982), Underworld (1985), Fool's Gold: The Story of the Brink's-Mat Robbery (1992), Shopping (1994), I'll Sleep When I'm Dead (2003), Gory Greek Gods (2004), Love Me Still (2008), Come Rain Come Shine (2010), Big Fat Gypsy Gangster (2011), Outside Bet (2012), C.O.O.L.I.O Time Travel Gangster (2014), Londinium (2016), We Still Steal the Old Way (2016), The Murderers (2017), Rise of the Footsoldier 3 (2017), Welcome to Curiosity (2018), Crucible of the Vampire (2019), 90 Minutes (2019), Last Chancers (2020), The Pebble and the Boy (2021)

Television: Warship: A Matter of History (1977) / The XYY Man [4 episodes as Riesen (1977)] / Treasure Island [3 episodes as Hunter 4 (1977)] / Out [5 episodes as Chris Cottle (1978)] / The Famous Five: Five Get Into Trouble* (1978) / Blake's 7 [8 episodes as Travis (1979)] / Shoestring: Listen to Me (1979) / Sykes: The Insurance Money (1979) / Quatermass: An Endangered Species* (1979) / Minder: Monday Night Fever (1980) / The Gentle Touch [2 episodes as Harry Blanden (1980)] / Hammer House of Horror: The House That Bled to Death (1980) / The Professionals: Weekend in the Country (1980) / The Chinese Detective [2 episodes as Jack Mangan (1981)] / Blood Money [2 episodes as Davis (1981)] / Happy Endings [3 episodes, different characters (1981)] / Jangles [7 episodes as Les (1982)] / Nobody's Hero [3 episodes as Mr. Hunter (1982)] / Miracles Take Longer [2 episodes as Sid Archer (1984)] / Letty [5 episodes as James Forsyth (1984)] / The Last Days of Pompeii [3 episodes as Melior (1984)] / The Young Ones [2 episodes (Sick, Summer Holiday) as the Real Robber (1984)] / Dempsey and Makepeace: Given to Acts of Violence (1985) / The Bill [11 episodes, different characters (1985-2008)] / Hold the Back Page: Away from Home (1985) / Edge of Darkness: Northmoor (1985) / Hideaway [3 episodes as Sid (1986)] / The Collectors: Uncommon Market (1986) / C.A.T.S. Eyes: Crack Up (1986) / King & Castle: Exodus (1986) / Filthy Rich & Catflap (1987) / A Small Problem: 'Keep on Running. Keep on Hiding' (1987) / Running Wild: The Music Man (1987) / Bread [2 episodes, different characters (1987-1988)] / Rockliffe's Babies [6 episodes as Chief Superintendent Barry Wyatt (1988)] / The Comic Strip Presents: Didn't You Kill My Brother? (1988) / The Return of Shelley: Why Me? (1988) / About Face: Send Her Victorious (1989) / Grange Hill [2 episodes as Mr. Glanville (1990-1991)] / Natural Lies (1992) / Bottom: Parade (1992) / The Upper Hand: The Manageress (1993) / The Detectives: Sparring Partners (1994) / Birds of a Feather: Mrs Robinson (1994) / Lovejoy: Last Tango in Lavenham (1994) / Time After Time: Money (1995) / EastEnders [119 episodes as Ted Hills (1995-1997)] / Noel's House Party [2 episodes as George - landlord of the Liszt and Newt (1997)] / Wycliffe: Land's End (1998) / Casualty: Starting Over (2000) / Doctors [2 episodes, different characters (2005-2018)] / The Londoners (2009) / New Tricks: The Fourth Man (2010) / The Split (2018) / Lucky Man: The Art of War (2018) / Bleachers: Dead Man's Funeral (2020) / Call the Midwife (2020) / Manhunt: The Night Stalker (2021)

Music Videos: Tori Amos: Trouble's Lament [as the businessman] (2014)

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Tom Baker as the Doctor in Logopolis (1981)

[Susan Foreman]

Who: Before And After #578a

Name: Tariq Yunus [1946 - 1994]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Robots Of Death part 1 – The Robots Of Death part 2
Character(s): Cass

Before Who:
Films: Figures in a Landscape (1970), The Place of Peace (1975)
Television: The Wednesday Play: Birthday (1969) / The Regiment [2 episodes, different characters (1973)] / The Kids from 47A: Food for Thought (1973) / Men of Affairs: Dinner for One (1974) / Sykes: The Pub (1974) / Father Brown: The Quick One (1974) / It Ain't Half Hot Mum: Down in the Jungle (1975) / Gangsters* [6 episodes as Jashir Singh Mahail (1976)] / Crown Court: A Matter of Honour (1976) / The Crezz [2 episodes as Hafez Aziz (1976)]

After Who:
Films: East of Elephant Rock* (1978), Rosie Dixon - Night Nurse (1978), Ashanti (1979), The Golden Lady (1979), The Final Option (1982), Where's the Key? (1983), A Talent for Murder (1984), The Fourth Protocol* (1987), Partition (1987), The Deceivers (1988), Scandal (1989), Bedardi (1993), Bollywood (1994)

Television: Rooms [2 episodes as Dr. Patel (1977)] / The Fuzz: Coppers Under the Sun (1977) / The Professionals: Blind Run (1978) / Strangers: The Wheeler Dealers (1979) / ITV Playhouse: The Quiz Kid (1979) / Terry and June: Long Weekend (1979) / Hammer House of Horror: Growing Pains (1980) / Shoestring: The Dangerous Game (1980) / Play for Today: The Garland (1981) / Minder: Back in Good Old England (1982) / On the Line [10 episodes as Ali Jamil (1982)] / The Nation's Health: Chronic (1983) / Caught in a Free State [4 episodes as Henry Obed (1983)] / The Witches and the Grinnygog (1983) / Angels [2 episodes as Dr. Guptara (1983)] / Scene: Good Neighbours (1984) / Mitch: Who Must Remain Anonymous (1984) / The Front Line (1985) / Tandoori Nights [12 episodes as Alaudin (1985-1987)] / We'll Think of Something [5 episodes as Dr. Khan (1986)] / All in Good Faith: Manna from Heaven (1987) / The Marksman (1987) / News at Twelve [5 episodes as Harry Patel (1988)] / Screen Two: Lucky Sunil (1988) / Around the World in 80 Days [3 episodes as Prince Bayinnaung (1989)] / Shalom Salaam [4 episodes as Imam (1989)] / Hard Cases (1989) / Nice Work [4 episodes as Danny Ram (1989)] / Inspector Morse: Driven to Distraction (1990) / The Bill: Come Fly with Me (1990) / House of Cards (1990) /

Who: Before And After #578b

Name: Tania Rogers [? - ]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Robots Of Death part 1 – The Robots Of Death part 2
Character(s): Zilda

Before Who:
Films: None
Television: Play for Today: Gangsters* (1975) / Crown Court: No Questions Asked (1976) / Dixon of Dock Green: Alice (1976) / The XYY Man [2 episodes as Lucy Gonsalves (1976)] / The Emigrants: A Dream of Freedom (1976)

After Who:
Films: The Stud (1978), Testament (1988)
Television: Out: Maybe He'll Bring Back a Geisha (1978) / The Professionals: Fugitive (1980) / Minder: Don't Tell Them Willie Boy Was Here (1980) / Late Starter (1985)

Who: Before And After #578c

Name: Gregory de Polnay [1943 - ]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Robots Of Death part 1 – The Robots Of Death part 4
Character(s): D84

Note:

• Played V23 in the 2004 Magic Bullet story 'Storm Mine'
• Reprised the part of D84 in the 2021 Big Finish audio story 'Closed Loop'
• Played V14 in the trailer for the Blu-Ray series 14 Collection release

Before Who:
Films: None
Television: The Spanish Farm: Sixty-four, Ninety-four (1968) / Contrabandits: According to Arcadius (1968) / Skippy: The Best Man (1969) / The Link Men: Somebody's Kid Is Missing (1970) / The Rovers: Slipway (1970) / The Group [14 episodes as Jeremy Windham (1971)] / Matlock Police: Leave 'Em for Dead (1973) / Boney: Boney and the Albatross (1973) / Dixon of Dock Green [29 episodes as Det. Sgt. Mike Brewer (1974-1975)] / Angels: Coming to Terms (1976) / Space - 1999: The Lambda Factor (1976)

After Who:
Films: None
Television: Poldark (1977) / The Other One (1977) / Enemy at the Door: The Raid (1980) / Fair Stood the Wind for France (1980) / Tenko: Shattered Dreams (1981) / The Fourth Arm [4 episodes as Pierre de Grouchy (1983)] / Missing from Home [6 episodes as Richard Earl (1984)] / One by One: Of Babes and Sucklings (1985) / Howards' Way [2 episodes as Werner Grunwald (1987)] / Selling Hitler [2 episodes as Philip Knightley (1991)] / Boon: Houseguests (1991) / London's Burning [2 episodes as Andres (1992)]

Who: Before And After #578d

Name: Miles Fothergill [? - ]
Year(s): 1977
Stories: The Robots Of Death part 1 – The Robots Of Death part 4
Character(s): SV7

Before Who:
Films: None
Television: None

After Who:
Films: None
Television: Blake's 7: The Web* (1978) / Breakaway [4 episodes as PC Mason (1980)] / The Olympian Way [4 episodes as Lou (1981)]

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Patrick Troughton (The Doctor), Wendy Padbury (Zoe) and Frazer Hines (Jamie) filming The Invasion (1968)

[Rob4]

Of course Davies is woke... he's a gay man who will obviously have met some prejudices on his way to success.

However, he's a better writer than Chibnall so hopefully he will be clever enough to put the wokeness back in the box (ahem... I mean subtext) where it belongs and concentrate on ideas, plot and character. And also even more importantly for me, tone down the prevalent wackiness and treat the drama with the seriousness it deserves.

I'm also not sure it is saveable... it has perhaps passed it's sell by date?

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Rob4

Of course Davies is woke... he's a gay man who will obviously have met some prejudices on his way to success.

However, he's a better writer than Chibnall so hopefully he will be clever enough to put the wokeness back in the box (ahem... I mean subtext) where it belongs and concentrate on ideas, plot and character. And also even more importantly for me, tone down the prevalent wackiness and treat the drama with the seriousness it deserves.

I'm also not sure it is saveable... it has perhaps passed it's sell by date?

Stands to reason that Davies is a better writer, but Chibnall is also a rather capable writer. This notion that Chris Chibnall is a crap writer does make me laugh somewhat. The BBC, like all media corporations have obviously been given a mandate to push this agenda into the public realm for a specific reason, and individuals like Chris Chibnall are employed to carry out whatever policy the BBC wants. Moffat's era toward the end certainly prepared the viewer for a female Doctor, with a female Master. The BBC decides what it wants in terms of content, and writer or head writer/exec moves forward with that in mind. The only difference I can see with Davies coming back to Dr Who will be that the show is going to be produced independently, though the BBC will still have it's say over how that content is delivered. Everything else is for the taking. The show will probably carry on acknowledging the new revised history of Who law, and in so doing so, will shoot itself in the foot. Davies could redress the timeline, and cut out thirteenth Doctor altogether or do not acknowledge this surgically placed in muck that the BBC want's in the show. Only then could Dr Who be truly intune with the established timeline. It's ultimately up to Davies' employer to make that decision. Where the BBC stands on this issue will largely fall into the hands of the State broadcaster. You want large audiences again, then banish the agenda being pushed out continually in entertainment circles. Because it's killing off well established shows, plus many fans and audiences.

[will graham]

Yeah I agree while I still think the show would have been bad without bbc involvement but it's clear that the bbc drama department are very much in creative control of all these bad desicions. Has anyone watched any of their other shows based on existing fiction recently? There is clearly a (god I hate this term) agenda and many of their adaptations have sucked because of it.
I think it's only father brown that's been any good and even that's clearly had one of the characters prejudice towards anyone different toned down.

Then again I was disappointed with rtd as I grew up with his children shows century falls (very dark for a kids show) and dark season and both were better written then most of the stuff hes done post queer as folk.

[iank]

Chibnall is a crap writer, though. All his previous Who work was awful. His Torchwood work was awful. Broadchurch was overrated as hell.
The guy's a hack.

Then again, so's Davies...