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Old 14th May 2008, 11:36 AM
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Ferox would definitely restore far more previous cuts than Holocaust. The latter even had heavy edits to the rape scenes.
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Old 14th May 2008, 03:58 PM
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My only thought re Cannibal Holocaust is that the film would suffer pretty much the same cuts as before. The list (5 mins 44 secs) is pretty heavy. I can post them here if anyone is interested, though there's very very little that I could see the BBFC waiving.
Yes - but then this comes back to a strategic decision for the Shameless guys (and gals?) - whilst it's a laudable aim to try and release previously uncut or unavailable films these are generally not going to be big sellers in the grand scheme of things. Sure they might sell well to genre fans but to make money you need to get the average Arthur or Martha in the street to see the title in HMV and pay for it (how they see the title in HMV when they're on the street I'm not sure but I digress...) Now these people won't know or care that CH is not uncut - it'll still be the most graphic thing they've probably ever seen.

So whilst releasing a cut film isn't going to please or attract collectors it could sell well to the populance at large and subsidise the availability of more obscure stuff?

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Old 14th May 2008, 04:08 PM
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Well NYR is cut and remains our best seller so something being cut isn't a bar to sales success but even those sales levels would still see us take a bath on ?12k and that's just for rights - god knows what state the materials etc would be in. We looked at it though because it's been hinted that the cuts would be a lot less and on that basis we thought hey let's have a look. A remake would help potential sales but it also drives the price up. It's a bit of a rock and a hard place really.
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These are the current cuts (5 mins 44 secs).......
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CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST was classified '18' for video release in 2001 with the following cuts -

At 17 mins - Remove all sight of muskrat being killed.
At 19 mins - Following LS sight of man holding naked woman's head as she lies on the ground, remove sight of woman dragged through the mud and having her legs forced apart.
At 20 mins - In same sequence, and following LS sight of man preparing to attack naked woman lying on the ground, remove all subsequent sight of woman struggling and being raped with wooden dildo.
At 20 mins - In same sequence, and following sight of man raising nail-studded mud ball, remove all subsequent sight of naked woman being genitally mutilated.
At 31 mins - Following LS of tribesmen on riverbank, remove all sight of woman being raped. Resume on MS sight of men slicing corpse.
At 51 mins - Following sight of giant turtle dragged from river, remove all sight of turtle being dismembered alive and disembowelled. Resume on MS sight of man filming. Reaction shots in which turtle or parts of turtle are not visible may remain.
At 60 mins - Following CU sight of blonde man's face, remove entire sequence where top of monkey's head is sliced off and blood is drained into a bowl.
At 63 mins - Following LS sight of man approaching tethered pig, remove subsequent sequence showing tethered pig being kicked and shot.
At 76 mins - Significantly reduce rape sequence.
At 82 mins - Remove MS sight of woman's genitals before she is dragged away by cannibals.
At 86 mins - After woman is partially stripped, remove all sight of her underwear being removed and her subsequent rape.
Don't hold your breath on too much of this being restored today. Ferox would suffer less cuts.
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I think FEROX or EATEN ALIVE are big enough titles to sell on the hype of a Holocaust remake,/ companion piece.
I think even without the new Holocaust hype ithey would sell well as most of the animal scenes are no where near as strong as Holocaust's, Ferox went more for human violence to shock so a restored Ferox minus the animal scenes that are currently removed would still be a nasty must see for the casual film buyer.And a nice little earner for Shameless. As would EATEN ALIVE .

There are also a new generation of horror / exploitation fans who would buy as well as alot of people dont import and the 20 quid , butchered VIPCO version is all thats there for them.

If you could get some cuts waived in Holocaust then seriously look into it but also look into FEROX or EATEN ALIVE.

These 3 titles are still stocked by all the major out lets along with ISOYG and sell well. A shop owner tried to get me to part with my dvd of VIPCO's first release of Holocaust as I have both VIPCO releases but I held on to it and I would buy any cannibal film Shameless released.
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Old 14th May 2008, 06:18 PM
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Most of the cuts in HOLOCAUST were to the sexual violence.
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Most of the cuts in HOLOCAUST were to the sexual violence.
That, plus the animal cuts, would make it extremely difficult to pass even now. Maybe around a minute or so could possibly be restored with clever editing but I just can't see a new release being much different from the above one.
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Not worth pursuing CH in this country uncut unless Mr magoo becomes chief snipper.....
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What about the Bruno Mattei 's Cannibal Holocaust the Beginning.?

I've never saw it and dont know if it was ever released in the UK before .
Anyone seen this.?
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Old 14th May 2008, 08:28 PM
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Okay,Sic's not biting......WHO ELSE CAN GIVE US THIS TECHNICAL WIZARDRY..?
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I'm working on something else, Obi Strips for DVDs
I thought about maybe making new covers for dvds but never got round to it because of all the design involved, then I thought I only need to do the sides and slip them in over the existing covers and there, great display.

But my design is a bit different to the Shameless DVDs although it would be quite easy to make obi strips to go over dvds to make them fit in(after the original 20).

Maybe I should make some for Italian films not going to be released on Shameless, while doing the others like this.
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Old 15th May 2008, 02:58 AM
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Well I had a go at shameless style ones with the titles I'd already prepared.

Almost there, not got the yellow and red quite right or the spaces between lines.
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