The Beyond –The Technical Debate

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by Nosferatu@Cult Labs

The statement may have taken a bit longer than some of you wanted, but Arrow were keen to ensure no stone was left unturned which led to communications with various people all around Europe. Their statement is as follows:

We are taking this very seriously. The benefit of having PR time with check discs prior to release is it allows us to correct things where possible. They are only check discs that reviewers receive and do not always reflect the final product.

The restoration and colour grading for THE BEYOND took place in Italy by the owner of the film, we then received the HD Master in the UK where we felt that the restoration was not good enough so had additional work on the film carried out using an HD Archangel to fix and stabilise motion, weave, picture flicker, overscan and interpolation as well as MTI technology to remove marks and picture defects. Colour grading was completed in Italy and was not tampered with here, we are investigating the colour of the film from negative to master to disc and hope to have more information soon. Once we have more information we can discuss this with the technical team and ensure the right colour is properly presented on this Arrow Video edition.

Once we have further information we will happily communicate every step of the way what is happening and we hope that our customers will keep their confidence in us to deliver the best product possible come release day.

This is good to hear, looking forward to receiving my copy. I was about to cancel my pre-order but it's staying in place now. I'll be watching this bad boy day and date of delivery!

[Inspector Tanzi]

This is one of my favourite Fulci's, I certainly hope it gets corrected so we can have the intro to the film in sepia.

I wonder how this happened in the first place?

[skyofcrack]

Some interesting things I've found:

in the video version of the Italian Avofilm was cut along the prologue more than five minutes, leaving some parts of the film incomprehensible! The reason? Well, the "cunning" distributors of videcassette Avo, thinking that the prologue was a sepia trailer made the film, they start printing copies from the time of termination of the prologue and the colors return to normal

From: ...E tu vivrai nel terrore! L'aldilÃ* - Wikipedia

The prologue of the film was shot in black and white, sepia. This gives all ' incipit a semblance of old stock . [1] Salvati used a color fading into sepia, with the help of gelatine, then veered in print. [6] However, in the edition released in cinemas Germany, the prologue is in color for the will of the distributors. [6] Salvati argues that German manufacturers have printed the prologue in color, to highlight the implementation of Zweick splatter scenes.

L'aldila (1981) @ EOFFTV

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by skyofcrack

The prologue of the film was shot in black and white

It was shot in colour.

[skyofcrack]

Out of context, sir and I didn't write it, it's from a link/quote.

[Doris Karloff]

Is this still going to make the intended street date with the extra work that needs to be done?

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by skyofcrack

Out of context, sir and I didn't write it, it's from a link/quote.

Yeah, I realised that after I'd posted. Sorry.

I should have said the link you quoted from is wrong. Or incorrectly translated. In fact looking at the wiki page it says...

Il prologo del film fu girato in bianco e nero, virato seppia

Girato means turned, I think. So rather than saying filmed in B&W it should be turned B&W...

[springjack]

The text from wikipedia is badly translated.

The tex tells us" Il prologo del film fu girato in bianco e nero, virato seppia."

That means "The prologue was shot in black and white, turned into sepia" and not "The prologue of the film was shot in black and white, sepia".

You cant´t shot a scene in black/white and sepia at the same time with the same camera.


We all know that we can´t always trust wikipedia because it´s a site made from all the feed from it´s users. Some of the things on wikipedia are not always right.

I don´t know if this particular scene was shot black and whit or in color, but was surely intended as degraded sepia.

[Jonny]

Originally Posted by springjack

I don´t know if this particular scene was shot black and whit or in color, but was surely intended as degraded sepia.

I'd say that because this scene exists in full colour as an extra on various DVDs it's a pretty safe bet it was indeed filmed in colour. In fact seeing as the scene existed in colour in German releases years and years ago (before digital trickery could even begin to think about colourising B&W footage so it looked like it was actually filmed in colour) I'd say it was definately shot in colour.

[springjack]

Originally Posted by Jonny

I'd say that because this scene exists in full colour as an extra on various DVDs it's a pretty safe bet it was indeed filmed in colour. In fact seeing as the scene existed in colour in German releases years and years ago (before digital trickery could even begin to think about colourising B&W footage so it looked like it was actually filmed in colour) I'd say it was definately shot in colour.

And you could be right in that.