Why should Cannibal Holocaust be censored merely to make it more palatable to you? After all, even if the animal cruelty is removed, it's still undeniable that animals were killed in the production of the film. You should shun the movie completely if it offends you that much. If you buy a cut version, you're still supporting it and giving money to the people who hurt those animals, even if those scenes have been removed.

I am NOT a sadist (and I resent the implication) and I don't revel in cruelty to animals. But Cannibal Holocaust is what it is. You can hack it to pieces, but it still remains a film wherein animals were killed. If you really can't handle it, then stay away. And are you okay with the scenes of real human death in the Road to Hell sequence? If so, then doesn't that make you a sadist too?

And couldn't you argue that in toning down the film you are somehow sweeping it all under the carpet and excusing the filmmakers for their actions?

deluded apes
 

ok. here it is. i can't stand humans. i'd gladly see Deodato kill thousands of you. you're deluded apes. tone down the animal atrocities because humanity is supposed to evolve culturally if not mentally, that'd be palatable to me. i would gladly kill thousands of you to save one animal from your pathetic drive for archival footage. you bore me. in short, im more of a sadistic son of a muthers bitch than you could possibly know. oh wait, what's that, i really don't care............fetch my tartar war-bow. i feel some 'shunning' coming on.

deluded pretentiousness
 

It's okay, just take a deep breath, everything is okay. Everything is okay. Seriously. Everything is okay.

aum mani padme hum
 

calm as a pool of sangre.. me, schopenhauer & buddha are old pals. :pray::clap:

Glad you quoted that, I had many changes of mind, as you can see!

screamin trees are doin it to ya!...be honest with you, everything i write is a humourous riff on my original line about bug bunny and a bull... Bully for Bugs..
ole!... don't mention it though. im a satanic buddhist..bugs bunny is my messiah, so Marvin the Martian is Pontius Pilate... oh damn i hit the submit reply-

:rolleyes:

It's just a shame that the evolutionary process appears to have bypassed you. You're not half as clever or witty as you think you are. Random quotes and subtle intellectual references does not a genius make.

Okay, now you can infract me, I insulted someone. :lol:

I'm off to torture my pets because, apparently, I'm a sadist!

Before this descends into another Royal Rumble,can we all just agree to disagree?:)

As Almar said in another thread,arguments like this deter small companies from releasing other niche titles,because believe it or not,the people who own these small indie label actually read these boards.

Now we wouldn't want that,would we? :)

Chill Dae.:)

Just kidding, Reaps. I'm cool as a cucumber. :cool:

But, be fair, when someone comes along and tells us we're all sadists because we watch Cannibal Holocaust uncut it's bound to get a reaction. He's being provocative.

But....I shall retire gracefully at this point. :)

No need to retire D.I know you're cool,and yes Zaroff,please cool it with the inflammatory comments eh?

That sadist Reaper LOVES the uncut Cannibal Holocaust. Not that that's the reason he's a sadist. It's the gimp mask and chains/whips he regularly likes to bring out that make him one. :eyebrows:

woah!! this has turned into something else :lol:

For a thread designed to discuss such groundbreaking news from the BBFC, this has moved a little bit away from where it began, so could people please think before they click on 'Submit Reply' please?

I just had a look at the galleries and couldn't find a picture from TLRTH. Could you point me in the right direction?

Not for long mate.;)

And HE has the whipping marks to prove it.....:lol:

Turtle soup for tea?:eyebrows:

I haven't got a turtle, so I'll have to steal the neighbours' tortoise instead. Thankfully, that sadist Stephen sent me the recipe, so I'll get cracking. :lol:

Sorry, Nos, just having a bit of fun, mate. ;)

It's no bother as friendly banter never hurt anyone and it's good to see the mood much lighter than it has been. In any case, I'm a vegetarian, so I'll leave the turtle, pig and monkey to you and Stephen!

Im a vegi too ha ha

Great news
 

There is a picture of two soldiers and a prisoner, the one who gets shot in the stomach (the one in the green shirt..or is it blue? Haven't seen it for ages) posing for the camera. This part is obviously faked anyway as the quality is a lot better than the rest of the segment.

I'll post a pic later. ;)

Does the cutting of the muskrat sequence affect the continuity/music in some way? Is it killed for the sake of it, and not eaten?

I'm surprised that only 14 seconds will be cut, but I agree with everyone that the BBFC are quite inconsistent at times.

From looking at the uncut film, I think those 14 seconds can be removed without detriment to the music and continuity. The animal was killed, as Deodato puts it, as a 'sacrifice' rather than the other animals which were eaten by members of the cast, crew and natives.

Just out of curiosity - if the BBFC do decide that the animals (muskrat aside, which is a sadistic kill) were killed humanely, will it change your view of the film?

No, not really. Whether the animals were killed humanely or not was never an issue as it was the depiction of those events on screen that had (and continues to have) the most impact. The first time I saw Cannibal Holocaust, I had only seen an animal killed in a film in Apocalypse Now, but that was done by the natives rather than the 'civilised Westerners' who had lost it and 'gone native'. It really was unlike anything I'd ever seen and was a bit of an assault on the senses!

I take your points, Nos. But much of the controversy isn't around animals being killed on-screen, but that it was considered to be cruel and sadistic. The pervailing attitude has been that the animals were mistreated. However, if you remove that element, all you have left is the killing of the animals, which, I might add, is not a criminal offence in the UK (otherwise farmers and the like would be in court all the time). The issue in the UK is the treatment of the animal prior to its death - in other words, did it suffer? So if the BBFC take that into account and conclude that the killings are swift and humane and no prolonged suffering was endured, they may well pass those scenes. I'm doubtful, but we'll see.

So, I was curious, if the element of cruelty is proved to be absent, will it change people's view of the film?

It will probably depend on the viewer and their experiences/knowledge of horror films and where Cannibal Holocaust fits into the horror movement and the development of the cannibal subgenre.

If someone is anything like I was when I first saw it, they will likely be stunned by the violence and, even if they are 'quick kills', it is one thing to read about the images and another thing to see them as the turtle scene is still pretty tough to watch because of the motor reflex movements.

However, I feel a great deal better about the film because, with the exception of the muskrat, I can watch the animal killings knowing they were performed quickly and with as little suffering to the animal as possible.

To be honest, considering what some people watch on the internet, I don't think this film will be quite so shocking to today's audiences. However, I had pretty much the same reaction as you, I was stunned by the sheer ferocity and violence of the film. I knew it was something special though, and being part of the nasties scandal, it felt like watching a piece of film history. Never had a film had such an impact on me as this one. I doubt younger viewers will have that experience, though.

I've screened it twice at Brunel to a room full of students and they always come away with some pretty stunned faces!

I'd like to show it UCLan Cult Film, I think it would get some interesting reactions. The couple of people I have show it to have really been affected by it, but they have all agreed that it is a fatastically made flick.

One of the best :D

im sure somebody has asked this but can find an answer through all the posts. Is this going to have a cut with no animal cruelty; it all taken out? and on blu?

Sarah would probably be best qualified to answer that query. My understanding is that the disc will contain two versions: one which will be as near as uncut as possible and the other being Deodato's new edit. What the latter will contain I have no idea.

Disc two contains.....

Jamie's turtle soup for schools campaign!

How to;
Catch skin and cook in 30 minutes! :lol:


:behindsofa::behindsofa::behindsofa:

Pukka! :tongue1: :lol:

Is it better than Turkey Twizzlers? How about the correct preparation and cooking techniques for a monkey's brain?

When this film was around in 1982, the animal cruelty wasn't even talked about. People were shocked at the extreme sexual violence, some of which was cut from the Go Video pre cert release.

The only film at the time that caused a bit of an outcry regarding animal cruelty was Faces of Death. Even though it was full of animal slaughter footage, it was the monkey having its brains bashed in that caused all the uproar... a scene later discovered to be fake.

It was only about 15-20 years ago that people started protesting against the animal cruelty in CH. Personally I think its ridiculous to make such a huge fuss about the animal cruelty when the spiked dildo scene, the rape of the native Indio girl, and the forced abortion sequence are far more shocking and horrific.

Political correctness has done all this...