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Nosferatu@Cult Labs 16th October 2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulD (Post 282587)
They don't open themselves up by having a forum for people to constantly complain about their product. A wise business decision if ever there was one :)

On the flipside, they also don't have a forum where fans can vote on what artwork they want, suggest titles for future release or read statements about delays or replacement programs.

Some may see it as a double edged sword, but I like the feeling of having some influence over Arrow's releases and being able to get messages to the HQ very quickly.

PaulD 16th October 2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu@Cult Labs (Post 282693)
Some may see it as a double edged sword, but I like the feeling of having some influence over Arrow's releases and being able to get messages to the HQ very quickly.

Yeah me too, I was just being a bit facetious

prawnee 17th October 2012 08:24 PM

Read this interview with the Dude Designs today

The Dude Designs Halloween Concept Poster - Poster Collective

At the bottom of the interview it says he's working on the European DVD artworks for two Tromeo and Juliet and Toxic Avenger. Over to you Arrow! ;)

Stephen@Cult Labs 17th October 2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by prawnee (Post 283304)
Read this interview with the Dude Designs today

The Dude Designs Halloween Concept Poster - Poster Collective

At the bottom of the interview it says he's working on the European DVD artworks for two Tromeo and Juliet and Toxic Avenger. Over to you Arrow! ;)

Europe is a big place!

Refused 17th October 2012 08:45 PM

The Dude Designs is from the UK, so I don't think he'd say European if he meant it was coming out here. Who knows though.

fuzzymctiger 17th October 2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by prawnee (Post 283304)
Read this interview with the Dude Designs today

The Dude Designs Halloween Concept Poster - Poster Collective

At the bottom of the interview it says he's working on the European DVD artworks for two Tromeo and Juliet and Toxic Avenger. Over to you Arrow! ;)

If that's true, Toxic Avenger is an amazing announcement!!!
Would probably give Tromeo and Juliet a miss though...

prawnee 17th October 2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs (Post 283306)
Europe is a big place!

Well aware of that, just speculating and connecting some dots.

fuzzymctiger 17th October 2012 09:00 PM

Oh hey, I just remembered that Arrow posted on Facebook
"Our Q1 titles feature artwork by 2 new artists."

Refused 17th October 2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283310)
Oh hey, I just remembered that Arrow posted on Facebook
"Our Q1 titles feature artwork by 2 new artists."

The Dude Designs has done artwork for them before.
I still hope Arrow releases Toxic Avenger though damnit!

Demdike@Cult Labs 17th October 2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283310)
Oh hey, I just remembered that Arrow posted on Facebook
"Our Q1 titles feature artwork by 2 new artists."

Lets hope its a couple of the guys who present their designs on here.

sawyer6 17th October 2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Demdike (Post 283317)
Lets hope its a couple of the guys who present their designs on here.

That would be nice!

Rik 17th October 2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by prawnee (Post 283304)

At the bottom of the interview it says he's working on the European DVD artworks for two Tromeo and Juliet and Toxic Avenger. Over to you Arrow! ;)

God, I hope not!

PaulD 17th October 2012 11:33 PM

I'd be happy with that! I suspect a lot of people wouldn't though.

fuzzymctiger 17th October 2012 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulD (Post 283341)
I'd be happy with that! I suspect a lot of people wouldn't though.

Toxic Avenger's a great movie!!

Rik 17th October 2012 11:48 PM

There's nothing overly wrong with Troma films, but there's so many great other films out there that Arrow could release. Anyone know what Alan Jones is working on, we must be due a leak about now?

Criterion7 17th October 2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jamienelson (Post 282573)
Curious, what is Scream Factory doing that Arrow is missing the mark on?

Quality of films being released at the moment really hits me as a big one.

Criterion7 17th October 2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283342)
Toxic Avenger's a great movie!!

Yes and I enjoyed Tromeo and Juilette. Which is why I have both Troma films by Troma, signed by Kaufman in my collection already and so can you. Its not something arrow should be releasing.

Its like when they put out Combat Shock..sorry there was already an incredible copy out there, it didnt need to be rereleased.

fuzzymctiger 18th October 2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowFan (Post 283345)
Yes and I enjoyed Tromeo and Juilette. Which is why I have both Troma films by Troma, signed by Kaufman in my collection already and so can you. Its not something arrow should be releasing.

Its like when they put out Combat Shock..sorry there was already an incredible copy out there, it didnt need to be rereleased.

Yeah, but here's hoping its a blu ray.

Also, Arrow should probably put out a clue, or a date for the announcment before the guessing/hyping game gets out of hand.

Rik 18th October 2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283346)
Yeah, but here's hoping its a blu ray.

Also, Arrow should probably put out a clue, or a date for the announcment before the guessing/hyping game gets out of hand.

That's where the fun lies, then when the announcements made, the moaning/cheering can start ;)

Criterion7 18th October 2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283346)
Yeah, but here's hoping its a blu ray.

Also, Arrow should probably put out a clue, or a date for the announcment before the guessing/hyping game gets out of hand.

Lol..neither of those films are in dire need of a blu ray.

If Arrow wants to give us what we can already get just as good from the actual source than let them publish the Tromas as a distinct label and not part of there big releases.

Aside from Christmas Evil and the ZFE(which isn't for everyone) they have, IMHO, really been dropping the ball. There is so much out there that hasn't been released or has been released barebones that we don't need them wasting time and finances that could go elsewhere.

I love Troma, but I buy my stuff directly from them. I doubt Arrow will ever get a cent from me or anyone I personally know from there Troma releases. I dropped over 400 on the Troma table this year, my money stays going directly in support of the company.

Now go out and get the special edition of Fathers Day along with the Astron-6 2 dvd set. That stuff rocks.

As for Arrow I expect more fun cult films and slasher like stuff out there.

As for the comparision to Scream Factory, I want every Blu that they are putting out right now as do all my friends. We've followed them from Rhino to Shout! Factory to Scream Factory.

I will support Arrow the same way when they start putting out things we dont already have.

Daemonia 18th October 2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowFan (Post 283344)
Quality of films being released at the moment really hits me as a big one.

Are you saying Arrow put out rubbish films? Then why are you here?

I think Arrow have put out a fine selection of titles that certainly 'hit the spot' for me. Scream seem to focusing more on American horror movies whereas Arrow's stock-in-trade has mostly been Euro-Horror, which is what floats my boat, as it were. Each to their own. But please, I hardly think Scream! Factory are saviours of the horror universe. They put out good product, no doubt about it, but I'd hardly call Arrow's output rubbish. Also, to put things into perspective, Scream! Factory are dealing with major studios and as such have access to top quality source materials and masters. Arrow are dealing with European licensors, materials are harder to find (especially good ones) and have a harder job on their hands than Scream! Factory will ever have. In some instances Arrow have actually had HD masters specially prepared for them, Scream! Factory will undoubtedly just be handed an HD master direct from the major studios, so no work involved. Just a thought.

Criterion7 18th October 2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Daemonia (Post 283352)
Are you saying Arrow put out rubbish films? Then why are you here?

I think Arrow have put out a fine selection of titles that certainly 'hit the spot' for me. Scream seem to focusing more on American horror movies whereas Arrow's stock-in-trade has mostly been Euro-Horror, which is what floats my boat, as it were. Each to their own. But please, I hardly think Scream! Factory are saviours of the horror universe. They put out good product, no doubt about it, but I'd hardly call Arrow's output rubbish. Also, to put things into perspective, Scream! Factory are dealing with major studios and as such have access to top quality source materials and masters. Arrow are dealing with European licensors, materials are harder to find (especially good ones) and have a harder job on their hands than Scream! Factory will ever have. In some instances Arrow have actually had HD masters specially prepared for them, Scream! Factory will undoubtedly just be handed an HD master direct from the major studios, so no work involved. Just a thought.

You really take my comments personally. Its my opinion.

look you said they deal a lot with European licensing and trust me I feel there pain but when they put out things that belong more in the Shameless category and then put out products that are readily available..and yes you can easily get Troma over there as well, then yes I will stand up with the megaphone and say Bull. Not to you..but to them.
I don't doubt the work that Arrow puts into there releases but don't be as presumptious as to assume that Scream Factory just haphazardly slaps out there stuff either cause thats BS. I am sure nothing is handed to either company.

As for Arrows so-called focus on Euro-horror, I wish they did that but last time I checked Troma and Christmas Evil are not Euro-Horror.

Everything you say is true about the earlier Arrow releases but not now. I am a big fan of the earlier Arrow releases.

Its all about opinion and perspective. If Toxic Avenger and Tromeo and Juilette are two of there next big releases than both you and I should have a problem because neither is the focus on Euro-horror or hard to get films that you just became so excited about.

Right now Scream Factory has been putting out suff thats been on my wish list for years, and before that Shout did the same, and so did Arrow. I'm not a blind follower though if something seems bad I'm gonna say it.

Don't doubt my validity on the site because I'm not in love with the product at the moment. The right release could have me touting Arrow again, which is what I wish I could do. the more companies putting out superior product the more choices I have and the more my collection of dvds grow.

Try not to take it so personally. Chill out, I have nothing against you but I kinda think I'm rubbing you the wrong way and its not intended. I'm always going to give my honest opinion.

fuzzymctiger 18th October 2012 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowFan (Post 283349)
Lol..neither of those films are in dire need of a blu ray.

If Arrow wants to give us what we can already get just as good from the actual source than let them publish the Tromas as a distinct label and not part of there big releases.

Aside from Christmas Evil and the ZFE(which isn't for everyone) they have, IMHO, really been dropping the ball. There is so much out there that hasn't been released or has been released barebones that we don't need them wasting time and finances that could go elsewhere.

I love Troma, but I buy my stuff directly from them. I doubt Arrow will ever get a cent from me or anyone I personally know from there Troma releases. I dropped over 400 on the Troma table this year, my money stays going directly in support of the company.

Now go out and get the special edition of Fathers Day along with the Astron-6 2 dvd set. That stuff rocks.

As for Arrow I expect more fun cult films and slasher like stuff out there.

As for the comparision to Scream Factory, I want every Blu that they are putting out right now as do all my friends. We've followed them from Rhino to Shout! Factory to Scream Factory.

I will support Arrow the same way when they start putting out things we dont already have.

But if they release Toxic Avenger on Blu Ray, that hasn't been released on that format, so that'd be a great release.

Really not a fan of all this Arrow/Troma deal bashing.

PaulD 18th October 2012 04:15 AM

Why does no one criticise Scream Factory for putting out Halloween II or The Funhouse, 2 films already available in great HD releases?


Edit: I'm not saying you should but its a bit rich to criticise Arrow for putting out films already available when Scream Factory have done likewise.


People talk about releases as if the company owes you something. Don't like it? Don't buy it. It really is as simple as that.

PaulD 18th October 2012 04:31 AM

Also can people try to remember NOT EVERYONE IMPORTS.

Just because we do doesn't mean everyone does and since a significant amount of sales come from the high street why shouldn't they strive to put out the best uk release of a film? I think I'm going to have "Don't like it? Don't buy it. And you are owed nothing" as my new signature in an attempt to discourage the same sort of tedious comments that accompany each release. There's no reason why people can't be disappointed with announcements (as I was for Wild Geese and Who Dares Wins, caring nothing for those films) but people's reactions and the whole "I already have that on region 1" comments miss the point in my opinion.



Now where's that insomnia thread...

Criterion7 18th October 2012 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger (Post 283359)
But if they release Toxic Avenger on Blu Ray, that hasn't been released on that format, so that'd be a great release.

Really not a fan of all this Arrow/Troma deal bashing.

Then that blu would be something unreleased. Not a problem there.

Sorry if you dont like my opinion but its that my opinion and it stands. I am a huge Troma fan and there films, last time I checked, are region free. As a smaller company I support from the source. Thats my stance and I stand by it.

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Originally Posted by PaulD (Post 283362)
Why does no one criticise Scream Factory for putting out Halloween II or The Funhouse, 2 films already available in great HD releases?


Edit: I'm not saying you should but its a bit rich to criticise Arrow for putting out films already available when Scream Factory have done likewise.


People talk about releases as if the company owes you something. Don't like it? Don't buy it. It really is as simple as that.

You could make a case there but for me I wanted the halloween 2 release. Loseless audio, actual features dealing with the film. Thats a signifigant difference.

The only HD version of the Funhouse I can think of is the arrow release which goes back to exactly what the arguement for some of the other was. Accessibility and the addition of a Tobe Hooper commentary.(for me a HUGE deal)


I give my opinion and I stand by it. If you wanna disagree thats fine but don't just call it random bashing because its not and I have always backed up everything i said with why I said it.

I think some people here are taking this way to personally.

PaulD 18th October 2012 04:49 AM

I'm not taking it personally at all, just think there are flaws in your stance. I don't really see how Arrows The Funhouse was more hard to come by than any other film to be honest but if you're saying that the commentary justifies the release then fair enough. I know that the exclusive extras on the Arrow releases do likewise for a lot of people on here though.


And, just to reiterate not everyone imports so there are always going to be people out there who will want to purchase these releases.

Criterion7 18th October 2012 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulD (Post 283366)
I'm not taking it personally at all, just think there are flaws in your stance. I don't really see how Arrows The Funhouse was more hard to come by than any other film to be honest but if you're saying that the commentary justifies the release then fair enough. I know that the exclusive extras on the Arrow releases do likewise for a lot of people on here though.


And, just to reiterate not everyone imports so there are always going to be people out there who will want to purchase these releases.

Personally I am double dipping.(I have Arrows release of Funhouse)

I just think that they could be working on bringing more genre titles out there. I definitely get where you are coming from though.

If I come of as a little thin-skinned right now..and I apologize if I do its because I just give my opinion. I get excited when new genre things come out and i support them all. Without excluding the others.

I hate when people accuse me of not liking the company cause I disagreed with the recent releases. Especially since I am not from over there and I import my dvds in. People don't see Arrow video in stores here. I personally told fans about the company. You have no idea how many collectors went and ordered Arrow dvds after seeing my modest collection of them.lol

I took it to a convention and made Jeffrey Coombs aware of the company. So you can imagine my frustration when people attack me for just being a genre fan and say I don't support Arrow because i don't just financial support r talk on here but I am out trying to expose more to the product. I am a genuine genre dvd enthusiast.

Theres a new company out doing movies that would appeal to the board and i share my excitement of that with them because its like-minded fans sharing what they love.

Arrow releases Silent Night Deadly Night 2 and I am on here praising again and saying what I always say. My opinion because I love the genre and I love collecting genre films.

PaulD 18th October 2012 05:22 AM

Plus, in response to them bringing out more genre titles I'd say the 2 upcoming Dallamano films certainly fit that description.


I hope they don't announce Silent Night Deadly Night 2 (not Euro horror like Christmas Evil and Troma incidentally) though; bloody awful film! ;)

Criterion7 18th October 2012 05:36 AM

I intentially balked at the Dallamano's but after doing research am definitely getting them.

I can't help it..yes SNDN2 is horrible crap but its like an addiction..I need it on dvd with as many features as possible..lol Plus after seeing what Arrow did with Christmas Evil I really want them doing it.

PaulD 18th October 2012 05:50 AM

I'm really looking forward to those releases too

I can't imagine SNDN2 will be in the next batch of announcements since they're for next year. Would have been released with Christmas Evil if they were going to do it I suspect.

BAKA 18th October 2012 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by prawnee (Post 283304)
Read this interview with the Dude Designs today

The Dude Designs Halloween Concept Poster - Poster Collective

At the bottom of the interview it says he's working on the European DVD artworks for two Tromeo and Juliet and Toxic Avenger. Over to you Arrow! ;)

Nice spot, I actually saw that yesterday, but didn't scroll down and realise there was even an interview there! Although they're not titles I'm interested in. :( Well I wouldn't mind Toxic Avenger on blu-ray, but had heard Troma had made it clear they couldn't afford it. That wasn't first hand, so it could well not be true though.

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Originally Posted by PaulD (Post 283363)
Also can people try to remember NOT EVERYONE IMPORTS.

Just because we do doesn't mean everyone does and since a significant amount of sales come from the high street why shouldn't they strive to put out the best uk release of a film? I think I'm going to have "Don't like it? Don't buy it. And you are owed nothing" as my new signature in an attempt to discourage the same sort of tedious comments that accompany each release. There's no reason why people can't be disappointed with announcements (as I was for Wild Geese and Who Dares Wins, caring nothing for those films) but people's reactions and the whole "I already have that on region 1" comments miss the point in my opinion.

Here, here! Well said indeed. Arrow has a primary market, and that should be their priority in my opinion. I don't doubt for a second Arrow take into consideration importing markets when acquiring licenses, but highly doubt it was at the forefront of their thoughts when considering Troma properties.

Troma titles have never had any kind of noticeable presence here in the UK, and while the vast majority of their output isn't to my interests (The very few Troma titles, or titles Troma distribute I'd like to see) it's completely understandable why they're mining from Troma's catalogue. Anyone from markets where Troma films are readily available moaning about it is completely missing the point.

Mojo 18th October 2012 07:37 AM

I guess Arrow's mixture of titles aren't going to please everybody, but I don't have a problem with this, as long as it continues to finance the company for future releases.

Arrow's titles this year have been quite varied, but all stay within the 'cult' range ( and after all, that's why we're all on here, right? ). Personally, I have no interest whatsoever in a possible release of The Toxic Avenger or any other Troma titles, but if they prove to be big sellers and help to finance the release of more Eurohorror ( particularly previously unreleased and / or on Blu-ray ) then that's fine by me.

The Wild Geese? Combat Shock? No thanks. Zombie Flesh Eaters, The House By The Cemetery, Night Child / The Cursed Medallion? Yes please.

Something for everybody I guess :)

Rik 18th October 2012 07:53 AM

That's exactly how I see it, of course it's on speculation Arrow are working on Troma titles. I think they're working on Halloween 2 & 3, nobody has released a decent version of these 2 yet....










MISSING: One wooden spoon, has Rik engraved on it :D

PaulD 18th October 2012 08:16 AM

There's also the fact that even if you like and already own the films from another release its's still good that they are getting widespread uk releases and are available on the high street. I already own Tromeo and Juliet on bluray and Toxic Avenger on DVD and would be extremely unlikely to buy them again unless the extras were extremely special but as a fan of both films I'd welcome the releases for their potential to bring the films to a wider audience.

Criterion7 18th October 2012 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rik (Post 283395)
That's exactly how I see it, of course it's on speculation Arrow are working on Troma titles. I think they're working on Halloween 2 & 3, nobody has released a decent version of these 2 yet....










MISSING: One wooden spoon, has Rik engraved on it :D

Tsk tsk..shameless baiting post..you should know better:rolleyes:

Hmm..Amazon is listing a AB double feature of SNDN 1 and 2...re-release??

Rik 18th October 2012 08:48 AM

Sorry, couldn't resist it ;)

In other news, I've just Tweeted Alan Jones and asked him if he's working on any Arrow titles at the minute because there's an announcement due, I hope he sees the funny side :lol:

Rik 18th October 2012 09:21 AM

Ok, so I've had a reply from Alan Jones, I guess he didn't get my sarcasm ha ha

@rikstewart I'm afraid I cannot confirm or deny that at the moment, but watch this space!

Daemonia 18th October 2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowFan (Post 283356)
You really take my comments personally. Its my opinion.

look you said they deal a lot with European licensing and trust me I feel there pain but when they put out things that belong more in the Shameless category and then put out products that are readily available..and yes you can easily get Troma over there as well, then yes I will stand up with the megaphone and say Bull. Not to you..but to them.
I don't doubt the work that Arrow puts into there releases but don't be as presumptious as to assume that Scream Factory just haphazardly slaps out there stuff either cause thats BS. I am sure nothing is handed to either company.

As for Arrows so-called focus on Euro-horror, I wish they did that but last time I checked Troma and Christmas Evil are not Euro-Horror.

Everything you say is true about the earlier Arrow releases but not now. I am a big fan of the earlier Arrow releases.

Its all about opinion and perspective. If Toxic Avenger and Tromeo and Juilette are two of there next big releases than both you and I should have a problem because neither is the focus on Euro-horror or hard to get films that you just became so excited about.

Right now Scream Factory has been putting out suff thats been on my wish list for years, and before that Shout did the same, and so did Arrow. I'm not a blind follower though if something seems bad I'm gonna say it.

Don't doubt my validity on the site because I'm not in love with the product at the moment. The right release could have me touting Arrow again, which is what I wish I could do. the more companies putting out superior product the more choices I have and the more my collection of dvds grow.

Try not to take it so personally. Chill out, I have nothing against you but I kinda think I'm rubbing you the wrong way and its not intended. I'm always going to give my honest opinion.

Hey, I'm not taking it personally, I actually really enjoy your input to the site. I'm also aware that my writing can be confrontational when I feel strongly about something, but it's not personal either - just a strong opinion, same as you.

Look, having talked to numerous people and researching over time I understand how it works with companies like Scream! Factory. Basically, they approach, say, Universal with a view to licensing titles. Universal will then respond with a list of suggested titles that have HD masters ready but they aren't intending releasing in the near future. Scream! Factory will look over the list, do research, and then respond saying what titles they're interested in. Twilight Time have the same set up with Sony and Fox - they don't dictate what they want, they simply choose from what they're offered.

Now, with all that in mind, it's good that Scream! Factory are releasing these titles, because otherwise they'd probably remain unreleased in HD. So that's a plus in my book. And they don't produce limited runs like TT either. Another plus.

Look, I'm not knocking Scream! Factory, just stating that their business model is far less complex than Arrow's. Do you really think that if Scream! Factory had to prepare their own HD masters they could afford to do that with every title, being a niche label? I think not.

Rik 18th October 2012 12:17 PM

NEWSFLASH!!!

Arrow FB/Twitter posts:

‎6 Dual Format, 3 DVDs. A slew of genres, extras, filmmakers new and old, artwork by 2 new artists and booklets for each!

Over 9 Dual Format/DVDs we will release 12 films!

One film of which we believe will be a version of a film seeing it's world premiere on home video

:woot::woot::woot::woot:


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