The Arrow Thread - Page 808

Susan Foreman · #**8071** 20th April 2016, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by keirarts

I really don't understand why they would bother with the R-rated cut

Must admit that I always have a problem when I play the old EIV version of 'Leatherface', and I am faced with "Do you want to play the cut version, or the uncut version", and I think to myself "um, let me think for a minute..."!

Saying that, tho, I do like having both versions on a disc, because I find it interesting to see how much, and what material has been removed - although I will almost certainly only watch the cut version once!!

fuzzymctiger · #**8072** 20th April 2016, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Susan Foreman

Must admit that I always have a problem when I play the old EIV version of 'Leatherface', and I am faced with "Do you want to play the cut version, or the uncut version", and I think to myself "um, let me think for a minute..."!

Saying that, tho, I do like having both versions on a disc, because I find it interesting to see how much, and what material has been removed - although I will almost certainly only watch the cut version once!!

I think if the cut version is a theatrical cut or uses alternate shots/takes it should definitely be preserved and is worth having.

Cut for home video? Pointless to preserve

Michael Brooke · #**8073** 20th April 2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzymctiger

I think if the cut version is a theatrical cut or uses alternate shots/takes it should definitely be preserved and is worth having.

Cut for home video? Pointless to preserve

My policy is that if a cut version is likely to be very familiar to a lot of potential customers, there's a good case for retaining it if only for nostalgia reasons - unless of course it's been butchered to the point of incomprehensibility, when it's a waste of disc space.

A case in point: the upcoming Crimes of Passion. There are three cuts of this film - the R-rated US one, which is worthless (and director-disowned), the 107-minute international theatrical cut (which we know that Ken Russell personally signed off on) and a 112-minute "extended cut", whose bona fides are unclear. So while Arrow isn't bothering with the R-rated cut, they are including both of the others.

There may also be a more practical reason for including two versions - sometimes "uncut" versions have to be reassembled by splicing in footage of noticeably subpar quality which viewers may find distracting (Hellraiser 3 and Pray for Death are recent examples), so the R-rated versions are included because they offer an uninterrupted viewing experience at optimum technical quality. Come to think of it, the 112-minute version of Crimes of Passion may well be a similar situation, as I don't know if 35mm materials for the offcuts still survive.

keirarts · #**8074** 20th April 2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Brooke

My policy is that if a cut version is likely to be very familiar to a lot of potential customers, there's a good case for retaining it if only for nostalgia reasons - unless of course it's been butchered to the point of incomprehensibility, when it's a waste of disc space.

A case in point: the upcoming Crimes of Passion. There are three cuts of this film - the R-rated US one, which is worthless (and director-disowned), the 107-minute international theatrical cut (which we know that Ken Russell personally signed off on) and a 112-minute "extended cut", whose bona fides are unclear. So while Arrow isn't bothering with the R-rated cut, they are including both of the others.

There may also be a more practical reason for including two versions - sometimes "uncut" versions have to be reassembled by splicing in footage of noticeably subpar quality which viewers may find distracting (Hellraiser 3 and Pray for Death are recent examples), so the R-rated versions are included because they offer an uninterrupted viewing experience at optimum technical quality. Come to think of it, the 112-minute version of Crimes of Passion may well be a similar situation, as I don't know if 35mm materials for the offcuts still survive.

If the versions have clear differences then I can see the reason for including it. With re-animator 2 its literally a few short snips on Gore scenes. Its very different from say Rob Zombies Halloween (1st one that popped into my head) where the R-rated and unrated use entirely different scenes ect.
As for crimes of passion. Totally stoked for that. I've set myself a task of trying to get all Ken's stuff on Blu-ray wherever possible. I own DVD's of Lair of the white worm and The Devils, Blu-rays of Altered states, Great passions, great performers and Valentino so far.

Justin101 · #**8075** 20th April 2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keirarts

As for crimes of passion. Totally stoked for that. I've set myself a task of trying to get all Ken's stuff on Blu-ray wherever possible. I own DVD's of Lair of the white worm and The Devils, Blu-rays of Altered states, Great passions, great performers and Valentino so far.

The BFI Valentino disc is outstanding, I thought the film was pretty interesting as well with some really memorable scenes, I'm a big Ken Russell fan as well and I'm trying to make a collection also.

DayzeUK · #**8076** 20th April 2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen@Cult Labs

US Bride of Re-Animator is sold out, UK version is sold out on the Arrow store, but still some with retailers. Shouldn't be long until we get it without all the fancy packaging and cut version of the film.

Does anybody know how many its limited to? UK version.