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Old 6th December 2012, 02:38 PM
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That's what I thought about anime years ago but, after watching films like Akira, Perfect Blue and those from Studio Ghibli, plus some TV series, I completely changed my mind.

It's something where you need to rent a couple of the highly regarded films, both from Hayao Miyazaki and more adult-oriented output and watch them with an open mind. I'd be surprised if you're disappointed.
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Old 6th December 2012, 03:48 PM
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To touch briefly on this debate, I agree with Goji and have always stood by this: cartoons are animation regardless of country of origin. In fact I often choose to avoid saying 'anime' altogether in place of 'Japanese animation' to avoid splitting hairs.

For users like WinterMillennium I will say it's tricky to recommend one particular place to start with Japanese animation; however I personally would certainly dip into the popular side of the spectrum first with films like Akira, Ghost in the Shell and Nausicca depending on your personal taste.

I will say I did just see Ben Wheatley's latest film Sightseers the other night, bloody good it was.
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Old 6th December 2012, 03:48 PM
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A cartoon is an animated motion picture. That's all. Country of origin, story, mood - all irrelevant.

I have no idea what you think "cartoon" means. I particularly don't see what country it is from has to do with anything.

As you say, animation is a medium of entertainment (though this is a crass simplification). It includes stop motion animation, collage animation and drawn animation. The drawn animations are cartoons. It's all tremendously simple to understand.

"Anime" is a term to describe (a style of) Japanese cartoons. It does not describe anything separate from cartoons, but cartoons from a specific film industry with a certain look. It is both correct and acceptable to refer to anime as cartoons. Because they are.
I disagree. It has got to the point now where eastern and western styles of animation have become so different both in accepted style and general formulai. I had a similar discussion over at TGWTG where many people where unable to differentiate Transformers from Gundam. Not only is there a abys of a difference in terms of production values.and asthetic style, but also in terms of narrative and character development. Look at alot of western serials and they share the same.general format. The same applys to anime. There is a distinct difference.in story telling between the two cultures and to plop them together into one super catagory is actuly a bit tactless. To compare the works of Miyazaki to those of Hanna Barbera is a bit insulting to one of the greatest film makers of our time.
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Old 6th December 2012, 03:54 PM
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Of course anime are cartoons, you'd have to be daft to think otherwise, plus it says so on Wikipedia, which we all know is the oracle of the internet

Anime (Japanese: アニメ?, [a.ni.me] ( listen); i/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) are Japanese cartoons and computer animation. The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese. In English, the term is defined as a style of animation originating in Japan, which often features colorful graphics, vibrant characters and action-filled plots with fantastic or futuristic themes.The intended meaning of the term sometimes varies depending on the context.
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just to wade into an argument that has nothing to do with me, couldn't you say that horror has a wide spectrum of aesthetics, narrative and character development? no-one would argue that it isn't still horror though, regardless of how many subgenres and subcultures it's been broken down into
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I think Hawks embarrassed that he likes cartoons.
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Old 6th December 2012, 04:24 PM
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Why is this becoming ever so slightly to personal? And Rik, wikipedia is hardly the most reliable site on the web. There is no true deffinitipn to disipher anime from cartoons and its completely dpwn to individual interpretation.
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Also off topic but I may be seeing The Man With The Iron Fists this weekend. Many of my friends from the States said it was awful, but considering some of the dross I've seen this year (Ghost Rider 2, Silent Hill 2 say hi) it can't be that bad. Maybe.
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Also off topic but I may be seeing The Man With The Iron Fists this weekend. Many of my friends from the States said it was awful, but considering some of the dross I've seen this year (Ghost Rider 2, Silent Hill 2 say hi) it can't be that bad. Maybe.
actually bud, i think you're on topic, it's the rest of us that have strayed off
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Why is this becoming ever so slightly to personal?
Who are you referring to?
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