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Not meant to be an argumentative post but just a perspective. Most of us here are old hands at the game but how about the want to attract new people to these movies? People who weren't even close to being born when some of them were made. A percentage of people already having a version doesn't justify not making it available to a new audience. Something like Island Of Death could be marketed on it's notoriety alone and be a stepping stone to other films. That could even be done if it was cut too. The more the merrier. There are far less titles now that would necessitate cuts and I for one would have loved to have saved money on imports over the years. Hopefully new collectors in the UK can be spared some of that.
I agree that attracting new collectors is a good idea but I think the old Vipco policy of releasing notorious films with the very scenes that made them notorious edited out did their reputation no good and would also have alienated new fans.
It looked like they were just cashing in on unsuspecting buyers
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Old 31st May 2010, 12:03 PM
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I actually just ordered the 3 disc set of Last House. From the looks of things it's the best edition out, plus I love the cover.
Its missing a few of the extras from the original cut DVD I think but dont quote me on that
I kept my cut dvd tho as selling it will be pointless.

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I agree that attracting new collectors is a good idea but I think the old Vipco policy of releasing notorious films with the very scenes that made them notorious edited out did their reputation no good and would also have alienated new fans.
It looked like they were just cashing in on unsuspecting buyers
Yes thats true but Arrow do try and release everything uncut and its down to the BBFC then not Arrow so Arrow aint "cashing in" at all. They released some amazing packages and even first time in the UK cuts of films like Opera. While I do agree with not buying a cut release, I think when its a 5 sec cut to something that does not spoil the story is ok as long as its done well.
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Ok let's wait and see what the BBFC say about the cut - I suspect they'll keep it but who knows - we've certainly had anough debate about whether it's worth buying it or not etc so let's bring that to a close please. I think anyone new to the film (and many in the UK haven't seen it as it's not been out since VHS days) might benefit more from member perspectives about what's cool about this incredibly visual horror epic so how about some thoughts on that?

One of my favourite moments is a small one - the camera pushing through the curtains and suddenly we're in that incredible library - some well judged and restrained (unusual in this film) music as well. For me you'd be hard pushed to find such a mood-setting scene in a modern horror film.
There are so many good moments in Inferno.
The "story" makes Suspiria look logical so best concentrate on the stunning visuals.
The early scene of the girl in the underwater cellar is one of Argentos best ever.

I found Inferno to be genuinely frightening the first time I saw it - you never quite know what is going to be around the next corner.
Suspiria is awesome but I think Inferno has a lot more memorable scenes .
You just have to forget the nonsense story and enjoy the ride

Hope we will be getting a cracking surround track for this one .
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Its missing a few of the extras from the original cut DVD I think but dont quote me on that
I kept my cut dvd tho as selling it will be pointless.
I think I'll be able to live without a few extras. Going to Pieces is an extra enough.

I hope the transfer for Inferno doesn't let down. From what I've read the US dvd has a rather average presentation and there's a European disc by Fox I think that's meant to have a fantastic transfer that puts the US disc to shame. I'm hoping the Arrow transfer's that good.
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Old 31st May 2010, 12:14 PM
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I think they are both great. Inferno may be a more stable movie-wise. It has a clearer passing than Suspiria. But still Suspiria is just a tad better for me. Both have nonsense plots but the atmosphere and the visuals make up for that.
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I not seen Inferno but love Suspria

So am looking forward to seeing Inferno, once I seen Inferno il watch mother of tears even though I heard its quite bad.
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The recent Italian dvd from...Fox?...is quite different from the BU/AB dvds of INFERNO. The color timing is different and there's been arguments about which is correct. I tend to side with Italian transfer, due to it being very similar to a theatrical print I saw here in Chicago. BU's is significantly more saturated, more grainy.

It sorta blows my mind that people prefer it to SUSPIRIA though. INFERNO is segmented, glued together in a way. A lot of it is done more common in tone/style, but still very "Argento", certainly more standard in its filmmaking than SUSPIRIA. There's some really wonderful scenes in the movie, but it doesn't quite gel for me overall. Argento certainly had more fun with INFERNO, at least to me it appears that way. More tongue-in-cheek than SUSPIRIA. And I just don't get the dislike for MOTHER OF TEARS. It certainly isn't in the same class as SUSPIRIA, but I really get a kick out of it. Maybe my expectations were low enough for it...? Of course, I really like PHENOMENA and don't dig OPERA too much. And Leigh McCloskey is a total numbnuts, IMO. The soundtrack gets a bit annoying too, from what I recall. Really wish Goblin had done the soundtrack for it too.

One other thing about INFERNO, a lot of people have the impression that Mario Bava had a lot to do with the effects and film. From what I recall from Tim Lucas' book on Bava, his involvement was not as significant as many seem to think, advising and being involved in discussions of effects/set pieces and making a couple of mattes, but from what I can remember he didn't really have much direct to do on the film. I think the most obvious 'Bava' segment is the end with the appearance of Mater Tenebrarum though. Also the scenes in with the mysterious "creature" who goes after McCloskey's sister & the book (looks like a cave). I could be wrong, as I haven't been up yet for a while. Wikipedia (yeah, yeah...) seems to document more involvement. I think Mario Bava was too old and ill to really have done much for the film though. Perhaps I should read Tim's segment on this again.
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Is a cat eating a mouse "animal violence"?
In my opinion? nope!

But then again I am also of the opinion that the scene with the mouse in the Abyss woulldn't classify as such either.. and yet it repeatedly does when the submissions hit the desks at the BBFC. The same goes for horse falls and supposed dog fights in nearly 50 year old episodes of Lassie that are cut for video submission.

I'm not responsible for how they decide upon their definitions.

If they choose to determne that any scene where an animal is hurt or killed as the result of a violent act being carried out against it by another party, regardless of species, then who am I to say any different. The end result is the same whether it be Inferno, The Abyss or any of the ultra-violent titles listed elsewhere on these pages.
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i find the bbfc's policy regarding animals to be ambiguous at best, it seems as unclear to them as it does to us, what passes for for one film can be cut in the next, but then this has always been the way of their policies
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Very true.

But then when you consider how vague the VRA legislation (I believe that the common quotes some years ago was there there was no "shopping list"), you rely upon an individual's own opinion of what falls within their guidance (not just animal related) and what does not.

Was it not James Ferman himself who said that if he had a chance to reconsider making cuts to films, he would have given serious consideration of cuts to Pulp Fiction and Trainspotting after their release?
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Ok folks this thread has become so heavy with debate on six seconds and whether to support or not that the film has become rather lost in the debate. I lived with Inferno cut on VHS for many years and loved it all the same and have spent since 1999 trying to persuade companies in the industry here in the UK to put it out on DVD and then Blu-ray. Now that it's happening there's a chance for people to discover a film that deserves to be on UK shelves.

We've now created a whole section devoted to Inferno - in it you can carry on the BBFC debate if you wish but there will also be other threads to talk about other aspects of the film!
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