The Doctor Who Thread - Page 24

Nemesis · #**231** 29th December 2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Demdike

Watched episode one of Day of the Daleks with the new effects added.

Quite impressive really. The time travel effect used by the Ogrons is a nice swirling mass of yellow lights, and the Ogron guns now blow their victims apart and make for a very messy death. Probably best of all the effects is the cityscape in the future - almost Bladerunner style.

The Daleks are now voiced by Nick Pegg and sound menacing, unlike the thin weedy voices in the original version.

All in all, very impressive, looking forward to seeing part 2 at the weekend.

Cannot wait to see that one - just waiting for the inevitable price reduction on Amazon. Will defintely get UNIT files and Daemons. I'm not sure about Sensorites- I'v heard that it's pretty ropey; what do you think of it, Demdike?

The Doctor breathing in space - honestly, Moffat

If you're going to ape something like Moonraker or Eraser, remember that Roger and the Schwarz actually had some air to breathe. You could have even given him a helmet a la Four to Doomsday (the only good thing about that tale in light of this).

Demdike@Cult Labs · #**232** 29th December 2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

I'm not sure about Sensorites- I'v heard that it's pretty ropey; what do you think of it, Demdike?

The Sensorites was one of the the last vhs i bought in a box set along with The Time Meddler and The Gunfighters. I think i only watched it once and can't actually remember anything about it unfortunately. However i am looking forward to this release as i like the first Doctor a heck of a lot more than i did ten years ago when the vhs was released.

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I quite enjoyed the Christmas special, but the slightest little analysis shows that it was actually pretty awful.

Demdike@Cult Labs · #**233** 29th December 2011, 10:22 PM

A poster on the Digital Spy Doctor Who forum had this to say and i tend to agree with them. (I did like it on first viewing, but it did go a bit flat in the middle)

Awful, so awful.

Moffat, you plumb. Stop messing around with Doctor Who. It's not a toy, it's an institution and you are not taking this very seriously. I realise that you belong to the school of "backward plotting" where you work out a satisfying conclusion and work backwards from that.

Problems:

1) The Doctor, in a completely unrelated and unnecessary scene, will fall to Earth and will survive space without burning up, freezing, exploding or dying of asphyxiation. Don't worry - we get the big bang out of the way first. No-one will question this because it is magic. I am magic. Tee-hee.

2) The portal has to be disguised as something attractive to children so that they would open it early. So instead of using the TARDIS as we would normally do, we are going to disguise the portal as a large attractive Christmas present. That way it puts the children in danger, but is a mis-step because the Doctor wouldn't act so irresponsibly. Don't worry - no-one will notice. Heck, we could have just used the TARDIS but then I lose the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe imagery. I am not very good at plots so I borrow from classic literature in a pathetic attempt to make my work appear to have substance and depth.

3) The building cannot be a building. It has to be made of wood so that it can be burnt by the acid rain - otherwise if it was a proper building there would be no drama. So I make a building out of wood that looks like bricks and mortar. Don't worry, the fans won't question this because they will accept just about any old cobblers I will spoon feed to them. We could have just had a nice matte painting of a organic looking structure but that costs money and our budget doesn't extend that far, But hey, whatever works, eh?

4) The wooden structure can traverse the time vortex. Don't worry. No one will question this - all of a sudden these wooden creature can manipulate the vortex without the eye of harmony or any time lord technology. It's magic. It's christmas. Everyone will be too full of Christmas cheer to question this plot point. And even if the wooden sphere could travel the vortex, it won't get ripped apart. It's all magic, see?

5) In this universe, premonitions have no meaning to the Doctor because he's a time traveller. Even though the Doctor has worried about premonitions in the past and they have been integral to the plot throughout various incarnations of our time travelling chum, this time around they will be dismissed. Don't worry, no-one will notice or care.

6) We won't let the husband die. Even though I do kill him, we will bring him back via the power of the time vortex. Don't worry, even though we are not supposed to change points in time - **** off RTD with "Father's Day" and the Reapers, this is my universe now - I will make it so a magical fairy light will guide him home for a suitably slushy reunion. Don't worry, it is all magic.

7) Oh, the all the guff about the forest. Well it was just thrown in there so we can save the husband see? I worked out that I wanted to kill him and resurrect and wrote the middle of the story around that conceit, desperately making it all fit together. Don't worry, I am really clever. I am Moffat. Everyone trusts me.

I found it an appalling piece of Doctor Who, which made last year's special seem like Shakespeare in comparison. The only good bit was the last scene with Rory and Amy when the Doctor teared up. That was a genuine piece of writing - the rest just a load of old puff.

Nemesis · #**234** 29th December 2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Demdike

A poster on the Digital Spy Doctor Who forum had this to say and i tend to agree with them. (I did like it on first viewing, but it did go a bit flat in the middle)

Awful, so awful.

Moffat, you plumb. Stop messing around with Doctor Who. It's not a toy, it's an institution and you are not taking this very seriously. I realise that you belong to the school of "backward plotting" where you work out a satisfying conclusion and work backwards from that.

Problems:

1) The Doctor, in a completely unrelated and unnecessary scene, will fall to Earth and will survive space without burning up, freezing, exploding or dying of asphyxiation. Don't worry - we get the big bang out of the way first. No-one will question this because it is magic. I am magic. Tee-hee.

2) The portal has to be disguised as something attractive to children so that they would open it early. So instead of using the TARDIS as we would normally do, we are going to disguise the portal as a large attractive Christmas present. That way it puts the children in danger, but is a mis-step because the Doctor wouldn't act so irresponsibly. Don't worry - no-one will notice. Heck, we could have just used the TARDIS but then I lose the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe imagery. I am not very good at plots so I borrow from classic literature in a pathetic attempt to make my work appear to have substance and depth.

3) The building cannot be a building. It has to be made of wood so that it can be burnt by the acid rain - otherwise if it was a proper building there would be no drama. So I make a building out of wood that looks like bricks and mortar. Don't worry, the fans won't question this because they will accept just about any old cobblers I will spoon feed to them. We could have just had a nice matte painting of a organic looking structure but that costs money and our budget doesn't extend that far, But hey, whatever works, eh?

4) The wooden structure can traverse the time vortex. Don't worry. No one will question this - all of a sudden these wooden creature can manipulate the vortex without the eye of harmony or any time lord technology. It's magic. It's christmas. Everyone will be too full of Christmas cheer to question this plot point. And even if the wooden sphere could travel the vortex, it won't get ripped apart. It's all magic, see?

5) In this universe, premonitions have no meaning to the Doctor because he's a time traveller. Even though the Doctor has worried about premonitions in the past and they have been integral to the plot throughout various incarnations of our time travelling chum, this time around they will be dismissed. Don't worry, no-one will notice or care.

6) We won't let the husband die. Even though I do kill him, we will bring him back via the power of the time vortex. Don't worry, even though we are not supposed to change points in time - **** off RTD with "Father's Day" and the Reapers, this is my universe now - I will make it so a magical fairy light will guide him home for a suitably slushy reunion. Don't worry, it is all magic.

7) Oh, the all the guff about the forest. Well it was just thrown in there so we can save the husband see? I worked out that I wanted to kill him and resurrect and wrote the middle of the story around that conceit, desperately making it all fit together. Don't worry, I am really clever. I am Moffat. Everyone trusts me.

I found it an appalling piece of Doctor Who, which made last year's special seem like Shakespeare in comparison. The only good bit was the last scene with Rory and Amy when the Doctor teared up. That was a genuine piece of writing - the rest just a load of old puff.

The ending was certainly a strong point - the reunion was nicely done.

Make Them Die Slowly · #**235** 30th December 2011, 09:00 AM

I'm not the biggest Who fan but watch it with my daughter though I struggle to see who the target audience is. She is 6 and loves it, I'm 45 and think what is this over sentimental tripe that blights almost every episode.

Demdike@Cult Labs · #**236** 30th December 2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly

I'm not the biggest Who fan but watch it with my daughter though I struggle to see who the target audience is. She is 6 and loves it, I'm 45 and think what is this over sentimental tripe that blights almost every episode.

You don't get that with The Daemons MTDS.

Demdike@Cult Labs · #**237** 30th December 2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Make Them Die Slowly

I'm not the biggest Who fan but watch it with my daughter though I struggle to see who the target audience is. She is 6 and loves it, I'm 45 and think what is this over sentimental tripe that blights almost every episode.

I thought the sentimental soap aspects worked well in the days of Rose Tyler and her family, even with Donna, but it isn't needed every episode with the family of the week. Amy and Rory certainly don't help either as i never really took to her.