The Doctor Who Thread

[tele1962]

Thats the one Dem.

[iank]

Never understood this whole fandom nonsense about the 7th Doctor being God. Er, where, exactly? There's a grand total of twice he has a grand plan before the story starts (Remembrance and Fenric) and in both instances it goes tits up (literally within 5 minutes in Remembrance when the wrong Daleks turn up). He clearly has no idea what's going on in Greatest Show (great story, by the way) up until part 3, even though he pretends to have known to Ace. Fandom makes up an awful lot of crap about this Doctor being somehow omnipotent, none of which is actually onscreen.
Season 25 is nearly as good as 26 IMO (Nemesis is a bit weak but still fun). And I'd still pick the much maligned 24 over anything from the last five years...

[trebor8273]

Tomb of the Cybermen

Another cracking Cyberman story, with great performances and characters and one of the most chilling scenes in Who history when when the Cybermen escape from their "tombs".


Now watching The Ice Warriors. Which is my first time with this story. I love Troughton shame a lot of his stuff is still missing.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by iank

Never understood this whole fandom nonsense about the 7th Doctor being God. Er, where, exactly? There's a grand total of twice he has a grand plan before the story starts (Remembrance and Fenric) and in both instances it goes tits up (literally within 5 minutes in Remembrance when the wrong Daleks turn up). He clearly has no idea what's going on in Greatest Show (great story, by the way) up until part 3, even though he pretends to have known to Ace. Fandom makes up an awful lot of crap about this Doctor being somehow omnipotent, none of which is actually onscreen.
Season 25 is nearly as good as 26 IMO (Nemesis is a bit weak but still fun). And I'd still pick the much maligned 24 over anything from the last five years...

It's implied he's more than just a Time Lord in several stories. Silver Nemesis for example.

[iank]

It implies he has a secret. Anything more than that was cut out of transmission. And nowhere in his era is he ever depicted as all-knowing. There's a few stories where he has an agenda, and even in them he's improvising madly like any other Doctor.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by iank

It implies he has a secret. Anything more than that was cut out of transmission. And nowhere in his era is he ever depicted as all-knowing. There's a few stories where he has an agenda, and even in them he's improvising madly like any other Doctor.

The scripts turned him into a manipulator. From how he met Ace onwards.

I'm not arguing against you, i hated that possible side to him.

It didn't help when Marc Platt said his novel Lungbarrow was going to be one of his upcoming scripts had the show continued. It's difficult to discount things like that when you read them in interviews especially when the show was on hiatus. Snippets from the likes of Platt were all we had to go on for years.

I was delighted when the BBC got the rights to the novels back and rebooted all the Virgin rubbish

[iank]

Lungbarrow wasn't going to be an upcoming story; it was developed originally for season 26 but was vetoed by JNT and the original idea became Ghost Light (you can see traces of it with the cobwebby Gothic mansion idea and the character held in stasis).
I think there's a massive difference between being manipulative and being God-like, though. One is not same as the other, and I think the former was a good idea.

Although I'm not a fan of any of the novel ranges these days the Virgins were certainly superior to the BBC. The early 8th Doctor books were just bland, and the latter ones were way more impenetrable and up themselves that most of the Virgin books.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by iank

Never understood this whole fandom nonsense about the 7th Doctor being God. Er, where, exactly?

It's all the rubbish of what was to be the Cartmel Masterplan, which i'm sure you know about but i'll post a link if others wish to read up on it. That's why fans think the Doctor was supposedly more than just a Time Lord. I'm pleased it never took off to be honest. It all stems from Cartmel talking to much in my opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartmel_Masterplan

Originally Posted by iank

And I'd still pick the much maligned 24 over anything from the last five years...

Of course you would.

[Demdike@Cult Labs]

Originally Posted by iank

Although I'm not a fan of any of the novel ranges these days the Virgins were certainly superior to the BBC. The early 8th Doctor books were just bland, and the latter ones were way more impenetrable and up themselves that most of the Virgin books.

The last New Adventure i read was Damaged Goods. That was a couple of years ago. So unlike any form of Doctor Who it was painful.

Did you ever read Iceberg, Ian? That was very good.

[iank]

Cartmel himself says there was no "masterplan" at the time; most of that stuff was actually made up later on during the book range. The only 'masterplan' during the actual era was simply to make the Doctor more mysterious again (as he felt the character had been lessened from the Hartnell/Troughton days by knowing too much about him) and more powerful again (as he felt both Davison and Colin's Doctor had been victims too often in their own shows).